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Lonny: Podcast Update

We've just published an interview with professor Anil Gupta of the Honeybee Network. Very interesting, I think you would enjoy it.

I would be more than happy to do a similar one on one with you, or a more open format with other members at appropedia. Just let me know. Looking forward to it...frank [at] agroinnovations.com

I was going to request input from the moderator of Category:Alternative building, but then I realized we don't have one yet...

Perhaps we should invite Peter to be moderator for Category:Sustainable buildings, which could have Category:Alternative building as a subcat. --Chriswaterguy · talk 16:02, 16 March 2007 (PDT)

Photovoltaics how-to?

What do you think about moving much of Category:Photovoltaics to a how-to? --Chriswaterguy · talk 02:53, 4 April 2007 (PDT)

Hi Chris, Great question. I have thinking about what to do with these types of pages. I do not think moving it to a how to is the best idea, as I feel that how tos should be followable step-by-step methods. I do think that the amount of content on Photovoltaics hides the category links below. Here are a two possible solutions:
1. Create a standard _______ basics, for each category page. In this case, Category:Photovoltaics would have a prominent link to Photovoltaic basics.
2. Move the subcategories and pages above the content. There is a mediawiki extension that does just that.
I would like to develop a standard. I think that #1 sounds best so far. Do you have any ideas?
When we do come up with a standard, we need to think about what is appropriate on a category page. If we have no text on category pages (as is the standard on some wikis) then we have users needing to click again to find any real information. If we do have text, how much and what type?
Thank you, --Lonny 19:21, 4 April 2007 (PDT)
Yep... #1 is a variation on the Wikipedia approach, and I can see the reason for it. I also see why it makes sense to take a different approach, and keep the topic and categories both high profile, since we have multiple content types.
The top of any topic page would have a template notice something like "For more pages on this topic, see the Sanitation category. That works well.
I'm not sure whether to use "XYZ basics" or just have the page name = topic name. This is Wikipedia's approach, albeit in a context of only one content type to deal with. It also makes the abovementioned template workable using {{PAGENAME}}. And I'm not sure yet whether the info will necessarily be basic and would rather let that question be answered organically. --Chriswaterguy · talk 05:48, 24 April 2007 (PDT)
I like this discussion of moving the hefty content to a separate page. Low-content category pages are fine (essentially, a few sentences describing the nature of the category), and don't need a separate page. As for naming, I have a slight bias toward using the same name, as WP does, but to me this is a detail. Of course, it's a detail that needs to be worked out :-). But as long as the naming is algorithmic (standardized), it shouldn't be too hard to alter the algorithm. I think there ought to be a way to write some template that points to the page if it exists, but I could be mistaken about that. Also, since if there is no page, then the category name wants to be a redirect (I think), and that could spoil the "if exists" test... Anyway, I'm getting lost in implementation details. --CurtB 10:07, 24 April 2007 (PDT)
I'm now leaning strongly towards this change, after thinking about how we deal with topics with multiple aspects - whether the topic deserves subcategories and whether it deserves multiple pages on different aspects, are not quite the same question. It's also easier to create topic pages if we don't have to think so hard about how it fits with the category system.
Shall we make this our new policy, at Appropedia:Topic content? We'll also need to adjust pages and sections such as Appropedia:Categories#Topic_categories Run it past major topic contributors, and Appropedia team members including User:Vinay Gupta and User:On2Leggs before making the changes? --Chriswaterguy · talk 19:03, 29 April 2007 (PDT)
What about the option of topic pages in mainspace, with the category tree (perhaps in a standard template) at the bottom of every such page? The drawback I can see is that I don't know if the category tree can list actual pages - only subcategories. Actually, is that a drawback, as long as we have clear links to the subcategories, with an explanatory note?
Looking at mw:Extension:CategoryTree, maybe we can use {{#categorytree:{{PAGENAME}}}}, if the pagename is consistent with the cat name. Note: I'm not wedded to the idea - just exploring it. --Chriswaterguy · talk 03:11, 27 November 2007 (PST)

Promote feed-back from user to designer

Hello!

Please help me out! The original, self-made/designed/originated material I contribute to society through the website of my foundation Demotech (www.demotech.org) is also ported by Appropedia. This I highly value for two reasons:

• Outgoing:

To be among the mind stuff of people with a similar mindset, to have an opportunity to be inspired, to learn in general

• Incoming:

To create the opportunity for feed back from users. This world needs rapid development of any item of Appropriate Technology. Without a mechanism of DIRECT and EFFECTIVE feedback from users on content such as what Demotech offers, further development of this content may stagnate. However, when feedback opportunities are provided this development may soar!

For this reason the sole condition for use of Demotech designs is to provide a link back to its origin attached to the information from Demotech. And please, let this link not only contain name and (web)-address of the author, but also a few lines that the author expects explicit and detailed feedback as a rightful reward for its otherwise freely to be used contribution.
As I looked at Creative Commons Licenses, I found the license 'Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0' that seemed somehow to answer what I look for. However not with the specific request condition as named.
I fully realize this condition can not be enforced in practice. Similar as the condition to pay for 'share ware'. But non the less it should be a condition that remains attached to the content as it spreads.

Three questions:

• Where can I find earlier discussions on the topic of feed back on behalf of continuous development?
• Where is info to be found on how design-communities may best originate and function on Internet?

Thanks for a rapid response!
--Demotech, design 14:03, 16 April 2007 (PDT) Reinder/Demotech

Hi Reinder,
Great to hear from you. I hope you received the email from my students. Your comments and questions are excellent and extremely pertinent. As requested, I am reposting your comments to the Village Pump for group discussion to follow. We are also considering starting a forum, so that it is easier for even more people to be involved.
Thank you, --Lonny 18:51, 11 April 2007 (PDT)
Lonny, hello!
Thanks for help and hope more clearity will come. And yes, I received the mail conserning the [=NightReader=]. I'll come back to it soon.
--Demotech, design 14:03, 16 April 2007 (PDT) Reinder

main page counter?

Lonny -- it looks like the main page counter has been stuck on ~58k for awhile -- is this correct? Is it counting? I tried reloading it and nothing changed - only one hit per ip? Cheers - Joshua ps - love the new chicken highlight

Hi Joshua,
If you mean 56k, it may look stuck because the counter stays in the cache during a normal refresh, but it will reload on a hard refresh. Use Shift-Refresh in Firefox and see if that works. If you mean 58k our numbers are different and we should discuss it further.
Glad you like the new chicken highlight.
PS you can sign your posts using 4 tildes (~~~~) --Lonny 22:23, 19 May 2007 (PDT)

Demotech contribution

Lonny, hi!
Thanks for your feed back. I have to study it thoroughly. Specially as I am not yet fully used to the Appropedia set up.
Whatever choice is made, it will be a tremendous lot of work to do all the porting to the right places. There seems to be a MediaWiki template that would well go together with the Research template. A friend of mine tries to find it.
All together it seems best to follow fate: go slow, make mistakes and hopefully then find a better way!
Reinder/Demotech

Great plan. I look forward to feedback. It will be a lot of work, but we have some techniques that make it easier. Here is a link to the entire topic category structure of Appropedia. -Lonny 02:25, 1 June 2007 (PDT)

Gender

I know very little how these kinds of sites work, and can't figure out how to make this suggestion otherwise: I'd like to see Gender as one of the categories under Culture and Community, if not its own listing under the main topics-areas listing.

Hi Jayne,
Thank you for your great suggestion. I responded on your talk page. Thank you, --Lonny 22:10, 13 July 2007 (PDT)

stats for GEM_mosquito_control

Hi Lonny,

By the way is it possible to get any details about those who visit the page. So far 714 visits are there!

Cheers --Chriswaterguy · talk 03:10, 22 July 2007 (PDT)

Actually I'd like to know how to access this for pages in general. Just noticed that Washing and drying clothes has had 1256 page views, which isn't bad, and I'd be interested to know where people have come from, so we can learn from it.

I also just noticed that my user page is 10th most viewed on the stats page, no doubt because I use it in my signature on blogs and other sites. I'll have to put more effort into giving people links when they arrive there. --Chriswaterguy · talk 05:50, 22 July 2007 (PDT)

Mandatos y Preguntas

¿Porqué no tienes un foto nuevo en tu pagina? Mas importante, ¿¡¿Porqué no hay un spell check en Appropedia?!? —The preceding comment was added by Waterfaery72 (talkcontribs) 12:04, 29 July 2007

Gracias para tus dudas. Voy a hacer un nuevo foto para mi pagina muy pronto. Y para spell check, I suggest using the excellent web-browser Firefox. Here is a portable version (will work on a thumb drive) and here is a install version, both will spell check inside of Appropedia. --Lonny 12:29, 29 July 2007 (PDT)

Muy pronto, mis nalgas!

Kiva, Kivapedia and microfinance

Hey Lonny,

I've been looking around trying to get a feel for how I could best contribute to Appropedia. I'm not an expert in any of the fields covered here, just a fan who likes to edit wikis. :-) In terms of Kiva, etc., I made a few simple edits to test out the connections. They work great.

As far as articles go, there doesn't seem to be much here related to microfinance. You also seem to uses categories like that one as main articles. :-) So I was wondering, do you approve of "importing" Wikipedia articles with trans-wiki links? If that's okay, I would be willing to add "Kiva" and "microfinance" articles. Also, do you add articles about related wikis? If it's a yes on that, I also could start a little something about Kivapedia.

Selected videos

Hi, I'm going to be adding a new section to the Main Page - "Selected videos." This section will display rotating videos of two types:

• Videos about Appropedia, including testimonials; and
• Videos about content on Appropedia.

Appropedia:List of videos shows all the videos currently displayed here. Would you like like to suggest any of these or other videos to add to the Main Page Selections? If so, I'll add them to the list.

Regads, RichardF 11:41, 20 July 2012 (PDT)

TOCbox

Hi. I added {{TOCbox}} to see how you like it. You can change the size and other attributes. --RichardF 06:55, 21 July 2012 (PDT)

I added the scrolling box feature to {{TOC right}}, making the new template unnecessary. This way, the new box capabilities already are added to existing {{TOC right}} pages. --RichardF 09:25, 21 July 2012 (PDT)

Nevermind. See Appropedia:Village pump#TOCbox template --RichardF 13:57, 21 July 2012 (PDT)

Just wanted to note some things we'd like to have, in one place so we don't overlook it. In the coming upgrade if we could (though some of this probably isn't possible yet, so I'm just flagging it):

• Vector skin - but the social media buttons aren't working.
• Mobile skin - but needs testing.
• Update the recentchanges bot in localsettings (See email from Danny.)

--Chriswaterguy 02:01, 5 August 2012 (PDT)

Dev wiki?

Teratornis asks: Is there a test or dev version of Appropedia for testing...?

Not sure what resources we have for the upgrades you're working on, but let Teratornis & I know if we have a live dev wiki again. Thanks. --Chriswaterguy 05:00, 27 August 2012 (PDT)

Water power

I have a flowing artisian well as well as several other sources of hydro power(fast flowing creek, and runoff from pond)and would love to be off the grid. Would love some ideas and or help,if needed will send video of my situation for review and comment or feedback and referral if possible, I think I am sitting on a cash cow but I do not possess the know how to pull it off. I have contacted dozens of companies and they are all to far away or won't respond to the challenge of the well. Any help would be welcome.Thank you for your time.

Have you checked out the pages at Microhydro? Also, where are you located? --Lonny 19:29, 12 November 2012 (PST)

Earth oven

RE: earth oven: I appreciate the article and info. I have built many of these, and by far the greatest improvement in their ability to hold heat comes from insulating the base -- The best and most appropriate solution for that involves making a layer of glass bottles encased in insulative material: a sawdust/clay mix; ash; perlite; vermiculite; or pumice. I think you would do your readers a great favor by including a section on insulating the base. If I can be of any help, please let me know. -- Kiko Denzer (reach me through handprintpress.com)

Kiko Denzer! Wow. What a delight to be contacted by you regarding earth ovens. Your book is fantastic, and, of course, your advice is very appreciated. I am emailing you now. Thanks, --Lonny 18:11, 30 November 2012 (PST)

Portal display errors

RichardF noticed these display errors, and is having trouble saving changes to Selected page and Highlighted project boxes: User talk:Chriswaterguy#Portal display errors - thanks. --Chriswaterguy 11:55, 6 March 2013 (PST)

I changed header capitalization, and adde spacing after headers for readability while editing. I hope that's okay. --Chriswaterguy 18:36, 7 March 2013 (PST)

toilet prize

Dear Lonny,

I think there is a need for a app-tech alternative to the Gates Foundation reinvent the toilet prize. I've been looking into the Gates funded projects, and they are very hi-tech, very speculative and highly unlikely to ever be used on a wide scale. When I asked someone who was working on one of the projects why they were not using recycled/readily available materials, she said that the project was not supposed to be app-tech. And I'm thinking that that is silly, and that it ought to be possible to have new high tech innovations using app-tech.

I think we need to give some engineers some parameters and a scrapheap and see what they come up with.

So far, I'm concluding that co-composting is the only reliable system we know for app-tech that actually destroys pathogens. The problem there is that the major risks are in handling the sludge (assuming that the toilet itself is clean and the composting site is safe). The compost needs to be as aerated as possible, IMO. I think it ought to be possible to design a system using scrap that limits the users handling of the sludge. I can imagine bikes powering augers to turn compost and so on. I'm sorry if that sounds Heath Robinson, but I'm not an engineer, so I don't know how to do it in practice.

Other things which might be considered - an enclosed 'latrine' attachment below a urine diversion toilet which can be taken out and immediately turned into a rocket stove, so that the sludge is charcoaled without anyone needing to handle the feces.

Some other people have also been experimenting with a lactofermentation method using a milk innoculation. I think this has some mileage for further investigation.

I might well be able to fund a prize and/or kickstarting funds - providing there were really good protocols for microbial analysis of finished sludge. Of course, this would not be at the scale that Gates could afford.. but could perhaps be done (somehow) using the public laboratory model of their spectral challange.

Thoughts? Joeturner 01:53, 8 March 2013 (PST)

Hi Joe,
I think something like that is a great idea. I also remember one existing, I think out of Italy, but I can't seem to find it. If we wanted to pursue that, we should look to partner with a like minded organization for coordinating that... especially the evaluation component. --Lonny 17:41, 12 March 2013 (PDT)
Good points, not sure where to go for that. Joeturner 10:04, 15 March 2013 (PDT)

Talking of such things, the IFRC has begun a student project on emergency sanitation, I've added some of the details here: Emergency_Sanitation_Project_competition, possibly of some interest to your students and/or people in your circles? Joeturner 02:04, 15 April 2013 (PDT)

This is awesome. I just contacted them about more ways to be involved. I will definitely be promoting this with my students as well. Thanks for the great find! --Lonny 12:27, 15 April 2013 (PDT)
Hi Joe,
Thank you for pursuing this. We have partnered with the Emergency Sanitation Project to help spread the word and to eventually host the top ten solutions. We would love your help on that. Maybe we could arrange a call. One idea is to arrange a short series of Google Hangouts in October or November. One with emergency relief experts, one with sanitation experts, etc. I think you would be great at spearheading the ESP - Appropedia partnership. Thoughts? --Lonny 12:01, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
Oh Lonny, I can't think of anything I'd rather do. That'd be awesome. Joeturner 13:23, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
Excellent. We should talk via voice to work out more details. --Lonny 20:30, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
I have to say that their prize is a bit puny though. Any chance we can influence them (possibly finding ways to find funds) to fund something better? Joeturner 13:25, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
We might be able find funds ourselves, but I spoke with the project director about the award and there are multiple well thought out reasons that the prize is what it is. Another avenue would be to look for other, non-monetary, prizes. That said, I think promotion and adoption should be our main focus. --Lonny 20:30, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
fair enough, I was thinking that a bigger prize might get more entries. We should definitely work on getting the word out as widely as possible. I wonder if we could record a podcast with the organisers to send to student groups and that sort of thing.. Joeturner 22:13, 1 May 2013 (PDT)
I like this idea. We also talked about a series of Google Hangouts. --Lonny 17:50, 2 May 2013 (PDT)

This is fantastic - excellent work guys! --Chriswaterguy 00:39, 2 May 2013 (PDT)

Thanks Chris! --Lonny 17:50, 2 May 2013 (PDT)

css and fixing the footer

Richard and I have been trying to fix the lack of a creative commons license image in the footer. I think this should be fixed by adding the image to the css div called div id="f-copyrightico" which should be in /skins/monobook/main.css - without looking, it is hard to be entirely sure, but am fairly sure that adding the image to that div should not break anything.. Joeturner 13:41, 11 March 2013 (PDT) PS see Richard's talk space for the discussion https://www.appropedia.org/User_talk:RichardF#New_Vector_skin.2C_and_.22move.22_tab

Fixed. Thanks, --Lonny 10:45, 14 March 2013 (PDT)

Daily news?

Not sure if we need this function, currently under development by User555. As far as I see, it is only going to be generating lots of pages of irrelevant material. Appropedia:Village_pump#Daily_Appropedia_News Joeturner 10:03, 15 March 2013 (PDT)

3dprinterworkshop

And the new name for 3dprinterworkshop is... :-) --RichardF 11:55, 30 April 2013 (PDT)

... Humboldt 3D printer workshop. Thanks for the ping! --Lonny 15:52, 30 April 2013 (PDT)
Nice. Now, it could use some cats. ;-) --RichardF 08:26, 3 May 2013 (PDT)

This problem I had encountered last year also. Then I uploaded the new version of the image in another unique name & displayed. Now same problem repeated. What happens is that when I upload a new version, the previous version appear in the place where the "CURRENT" one is to appear in the file history.

Please have a look at https://www.appropedia.org/File:BloodSugarResultsOfUserGeorgedappilly.jpg and HELP.

Shooter 09:33, 4 May 2013 (PDT)

Yes the second & third ones are correct images

Hi Chris,

Thank you for the fast response. At File:BloodSugarResultsOfUserGeorgedappilly.jpg out of the four images the second & third are the new and first & last are the old (and those are one & the same!) The old one appearing as the CURRENT is the problem.

The bottom one was uploaded last year. The other day uploaded a new version. Then the one that appeared as CURRENT was the same old one. Anticipating some delay I waited for a day. There was no change. Then I uploaded once again the NEW VERSION. Then the NEW ONE appeared at the middle, ie in between the two OLD ONES - EVEN THOUGH I HAVE UPLOADED THE OLD ONE ONLY ONCE! Then in the first column below the word CURRENT there were two REVERTs. I clicked the REVERT in the mid row ie on the left of the NEW VERSION. Then the old image moved up & one more copy of the new one appeared as the second from the top.

Then I modified the main page and tried to display as THUMB. That worked & SURPRISINGLY the NEW version appeared. When I increased size to full AGAIN THE OLD APPEARED! Then I tried different sizes from thumb. All except the full size displayed the new image. Then I finalized on the largest size that displayed the NEW VERSION. That is the one seen now in the main page.

Interesting?

Incidentally I see a dotted line around the picture. What can it be?

Thanks

Talk · Shooter 10:08, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

Lonny, are we having cache issues? --Chriswaterguy 14:38, 6 May 2013 (PDT)
Howdy,
Did you try again later? Often a computer will cache an image and act the way you are describing. You can try doing a hard refresh on your browser (e.g. Ctrl-Shift-R with Firefox). --Lonny 15:22, 6 May 2013 (PDT)

Sustainability Stories Documentary Project

Greetings, Lonny & Appropredia community members!

I stumbled upon this wonderful wiki yesterday, and am very inspired by what you all are doing! And until I read about it here, I'd never heard of the term Service Learning. Yet as a service designer, I'm realizing that it is core to the success of any sustainable community effort. I believe that without a fair exchange (learning experience for volunteer effort, for example), reliance on altruism alone is not enough to keep people motivated to do the hard work of changing habits, minds, and lives.

I'm in the midst of creating a short documentary film called "Sustainability Stories" to share the things I'm learning -- and what I've been most inspired by -- as the sharing economy unfolds around us.

I will be visiting Arcata on Wednesday-Saturday Sept 25-28, and would love to interview you, your students, and sustainable business owners around town. This documentary is part of my preparations to co-host the Oakland Sustainability Jam in late November. It would be such a treat to meet some of you and learn more about your projects.

Thanks! Marise Phillips Alameda, CA

Hi Marise
So sorry I missed this. I would love to chat. I am contacting you via Appropedia email. --Lonny 17:57, 1 October 2013 (PDT)

User page redirects

Hi Lonny,

Should we have a policy of user pages being on the page for the actual account?

The only real issues I can think of are about taking contributions - the contributions link won't work from the non-account page, and it will be harder to get to recognize users by their usernames.

I mention it because 2 of your students have redirected their userpages - I don't want to single anyone out, though. --Chriswaterguy (talk) 20:11, 8 December 2013 (PST)

Hi Chris,
Yes. The policy should be to have userpages on their username account. We can rename people if they need that. I will remind my students of that policy. :)
Thanks, --Lonny (talk) 08:25, 11 August 2015 (PDT)

Team maker tool

Hello Professor,

I am wondering when are we going to be emailed the assignment for the team making tool? Also, I can't figure out where to post on thingiverse.

Walden Ecovillage

Lonny,

Thanks for your feedback and offer of support.

I apologize for the unavailability of our site. Perhaps we were updating pages. It should be up now, and I'd appreciate you seeing the content- especially if you were assist with templates.

The other venue we are considering, for our collaborative editing is: [7]. Do you have an opinion about it?

Thanks again. Michael

Hi Michael,
The ajaxworkspace is a project management suite. Appropedia is not a suite like that. Appropedia is used by projects, but most of those projects also use emails, calendars, etc. to keep things moving. Short answer: If you want an open spot to share and develop your ecovillage, than Appropedia is a great spot. If you want a single tool to coordinate your project(s) and team-members, than you will want a project management suite. It is possible you will want both.
Thanks,
--Lonny (talk) 18:01, 3 January 2015 (PST)

Lonny,

Thanks for taking the time to check out our site and respond to my questions. btw... I've been trying to deal with the hostinger issue for weeks now, but am having no luck- and 000webhost is not being helpful. Any ideas?

We will take your advice and use both Appropedia and Ajax. I'd like to get started right away.

As I am a novice at using this wiki, any input or direction you can offer, especially with regard to setting up the project pages would be great. I've read the projects page and, beyond creating the project page, I'm still in the dark about where to go from there. You mentioned templates before, perhaps you could point me in the right direction.

Should the project wiki reflect the website's organization and structure (each menu item is a separate page etc)? The Community page is really long should each section be a page?

I'd also like to provide a space & functionality for contributors to collaborate on academic and scientific articles related to our assumptions and propositions.

Thanks again. --Skeptic (talk) 19:33, 3 January 2015 (PST)Michael (talk)

Hi Michael,
The best way to get started is to describe your ecovillage at Walden Ecovillage. Then to make subpages like Walden Ecovillage/workshops. Once you have a few of those pages, we can make a template that you put at the top of each page using {{Walden ecovillage header}}. Once you have some pages, let us know which you would like in the header, and we can help make that. As you develop pages, remember that things are easy to move around on the wiki. Also remember that Appropedia is dedicated to sharing success and failures of engagements in improving living conditions. Therefore, using Appropedia for describing and developing your projects makes more sense than posting essays. That said, your own userpage is a great place for that, e.g. User:Skeptic/why we all need to be more skeptical :). Enjoy, --Lonny (talk) 15:18, 5 January 2015 (PST)

Lonnie, I'm struggling with structuring the Project wiki. I've read what I can find about creating subpages, and am uncertain about whether to create a front end Index page or just create subpages "Walden Ecovillage/the Community", "Walden Ecovillage/the Ecoversity" etc. with no Index- you didn't mention using an Index (above). The reason I'm asking is, I created a subpage Walden_Ecovillage/the_Community and it's unclear to me how visitors know the page exists; perhaps I'm missing something. I've also been reading about Template:Navbox. I don't want to go any further until I figure this out; I don't want to move in the wrong direction and have to redo work. Thanks. --Skeptic (talk) 14:28, 7 January 2015 (PST)

Hi Michael,
A couple of things:
1. I added Category:Walden Ecovillage to categorize your pages, which can help navigation for people that like tags or categorization.
2. I added an example header {{Walden Ecovillage header}} that you can add to all your pages. Then when you change the header, all the pages change automatically. You can see the example at Walden_Ecovillage/the_Farm and Walden_Ecovillage/the_Ecoversity.
Please let me know if you would like help developing the header. You can add a small picture, change the formatting, or use the navbox style you are trying out. Doing it in template form means you only need to make changes in one location. Does that make sense?
Thanks, --Lonny (talk) 20:24, 8 January 2015 (PST)

Lonny, Thanks for everything. I'm spreading the word that the wiki is ready. Michael

Lonny, I've been unsuccessful at figuring out how to make navbox changes effect all pages. I looked at the Walden Ecovillage header template and saw that you created a unique Walden Ecovillage header; is this what I need to do with navbox? I considered attempting to change the navbox template to make a unique Walden navbox, but was unwilling to mess with the template without guidance. Thanks in advance. Michael

Hi Michael,
I just placed the navbox into the header at {{Walden Ecovillage header}} so you can see how that works. That said, it might look better without the navbox. If you choose to use the navbox, editing the one in the header will change it on every page, and you can delete the nav box from each specific page since the header is also already on those pages. Does that make sense?
Thanks, --Lonny (talk) 16:30, 15 January 2015 (PST)

Hi Lonny, Thanks for the quick response. I agree the navbox looks bad in the header; and I am planning to use it for additional off-site links and info later- so I want to keep it. Since there are only 6 pages, I'll just change each page individually. Thaks again. --Skeptic (talk) 17:25, 15 January 2015 (PST)

Hi Michael,
I made this {{Walden Ecovillage nav box}}. You can add that template wherever you like, and then just edit it once at the template page. Make sure to leave the stuff below the navbox in the template such as the noinclude and categories.
Enjoy, --Lonny (talk) 18:19, 15 January 2015 (PST)

Wow! perfect. Thanks. --Skeptic (talk) 18:31, 15 January 2015 (PST)

Awesomeness confirmed. See A:VP#Nominating Ethan for admin, + Joshua's endorsement on my talk page. --Chriswaterguy (talk) 18:41, 17 July 2015 (PDT)

Great. It is done. --Lonny (talk) 17:53, 19 July 2015 (PDT)

Travel Internship

Hi Lonny,

I'm interested in pursuing your travel internship. Here is my userpage user:APenny6. Let me know what else you need from me!

Hope all's well, Annette

Open House

I was referred here by user Ethan who suggested you were the right contact to ask about a project page I'd like to create. I thought it best to ask around first to see if others felt this would be an appropriate home for this project. I'm looking to develop a video documentary series called Open House which would seek to demonstrate a Post-Industrial lifestyle by crafting it--as much as possible--from currently available open source designs found on-line. House, its furnishings, workshop, microfarm, energy, transportation, even domestic robots all open source. I like to refer to it as a 21st century take on Alone in the Wilderness. I think a wiki site would be a good format to organize the project and its design catalog and it would be helpful to have it in a place that already has some gravitas. Lone sites tend to be like throwing a note in a bottle into the ocean these days. I have previous experience with wikia sites ( http://tmp2.wikia.com/wiki/Main_Page http://utilihab.wikia.com/wiki/Utilihab_Wiki ) and have been around in the Maker/P2P/Open Tech community for a while. Your guidance would be appreciated.

Thank you.

Eric Hunting erichunting @ gmail.com

Brief hiatus

I just wanted to give you a heads-up that the spam sweepers will be missing a member for a few weeks. I'm going to be relocating and starting a new job. Enjoy the new school year! --Ethan (talk) 15:13, 2 September 2015 (PDT)

Thanks for the headsup! I just sent you an email about China. :) --Lonny (talk) 17:16, 11 September 2015 (PDT)

Thanks!

That's great, thanks Lonny. Looking forward to continuing to help out. Felicity (talk) 22:59, 1 December 2015 (PST)

Thank you! --Lonny (talk) 12:18, 2 December 2015 (PST)

Organic spam

Thanks for the heads up Lonny. I didn't manage to be here yesterday so missed that article and looks like Ethan got to it. If it recurs, I'll see what's worth salvaging. Sometimes I do salvage the spam, other times out it goes! Thanks for the kind words too. Felicity (talk) 20:58, 12 April 2016 (PDT)

Swaleny

Hi Lonny, Thanks for your message about Swaleny#Plants. It looks like an exciting and really useful project. I like what is there already but will see if there is anything I can add. I've been a bit busy lately, so I'm not about as much as I'd like but hopefully that'll change soon. Cheers, Felicity (talk) 00:20, 19 June 2016 (PDT)

Yay for less spam!

Thanks Lonny for the note about spam. Looking forward to its lessening. Felicity (talk) 00:02, 22 September 2016 (PDT)

Thank you!

Hi Lonny, thank you very much for your nice welcome message! User talk:Migranto I really do appreciate it! :) —The preceding comment was added by Migranto (talkcontribs) 22:34, 24 November 2016

My pleasure! --Lonny (talk) 17:40, 25 November 2016 (PST)

cycling

Thanks Lonny -- I did a redirect -- and sent over the two pages directly from bicycling - let me know if there is a more efficient way-- Joshua Pearce (talk) 04:45, 18 December 2016 (PST)

Project contribution

Hi! Is this page still active? I am curious if our project, a completely open-source active RFID system https://github.com/tourajghaffari/tigerfid is one that would be acceptable for contribution. If so, I was hoping to get some help to select an appropriate Area to include it. Omid Ghaffari-Tabrizi (talk) 11:35, 18 February 2017 (EST)

Hello Omid,
Great to meet you and learn about your excellent project (and your father's legacy). Appropedia is definitely very active. You can see Special:RecentChanges on any wiki to get a sense of the activity. On here you will see about a hundred excellent edits every day. Here are two of the categories you should add to your page:Category:Open source hardware and Category:Information technology. Eventually we will probably have an Category:RFID for your page and pages like Free-Libre Hardware RFID handheld device and Viability of 3-D printing pentacene semiconductors for use in RFID tags on helmets.
Enjoy, --Lonny (talk) 14:39, 19 February 2017 (PST)
Thanks so much, Lonny, I appreciate it! I will get to work on creating the TigeRFID page after spending a little more time to familiarize myself with Appropedia. I really appreciate your response and thank you for putting something like this together!
--Omid Ghaffari-Tabrizi (talk) 22:13, 22 February 2017 (EST)
Hello Omid,
We look forward to your contributions. Thank you for your engagement, and your thanks. That said, there are so many responsible for putting this together! --Lonny (talk) 14:01, 24 February 2017 (PST)

@4ak25:, user is commenting on CityOfSilver's talk page, can you remove it ?? --CityOfSilver (talk) 11:49, 19 May 2017 (PDT)

Open the tag simply used. –Java (talk) 21:13, 31 May 2017 (PDT).

I am really sorry to bother you. But why are you proposing to delete Sun Eclipse? It's about space. A user called User:Felicity Tepper told me to do about space.

Hello, Because the information is incorrect and not directly pertinent to appropriate technology, sustainability, poverty abatement, etc. Does that make sense? Thank you, --Lonny (talk) 11:24, 17 October 2017 (PDT)

Hey, User:Lonny, User:Supernerd here. Who are you in the picture on your user page? Can you give me some tips and some ideas for a page? How can I contribute to things that needs helping? I'd love to work with you! --Supernerd (talk) 20:55, 24 November 2017 (PDT)

Hi User:Supernerd,
Are you also CityOfSilver? Thanks, --Lonny (talk) 13:12, 24 November 2017 (PST)

Wikispaces

Hi, Lonny. Wikispaces is going to be doing a phased shut-down this year. I'd like to reach out to admins of relevant wikis hosted there to see if they would like to move their content to Appropedia. I've been documenting this matter here: User:Ethan/Wikispaces

--Ethan (talk) 20:22, 12 March 2018 (PDT)

Hi Ethan,
Awesome. Thank you for keeping me up to date! --Lonny (talk) 13:44, 22 March 2018 (PDT)

Boss

Hello, I'm Jenna Smith. Are you the boss here? Jenna Smith (talk) 05:44, 20 March 2018 (PDT)

Hi Jenna,
Thank you for your question. There is no boss here. There is a group of engaged individuals contributing together. There is also a board of directors. Please let us know how we can help.
Thanks, --Lonny (talk) 13:44, 22 March 2018 (PDT)

Yes, I' know about that, but the inherent problem is that a lot of those aren't designed to work with multiple attachments, many of them being built with only one attachment, from what I could find. And in many cases, there's no "standard" to speak of, but rather they're made "by the ear", to fit _some_ thing, but not much else. I think that there is a lot of cheap tech (in terms of building the parts, not necessarily in terms of energy consumption) the poor people don't have access to because of the lack of proper education in said domains. And while websites like this one, Pole Shift Survival, No Tech Magazine and Low Tech Magazine might offer useful knowledge, there are a few problems, including the language barrier, the lack of pre-built things available in the area were the people that need them live, as well as the lack of knowledge that those things even exist, let alone the possible lack of access to the internet, all those contribute to a stagnation of the lower half of the population, in terms of education accessed.

But then again, this discussion is supposed to be about bikes, not about solving poverty, or ending racism and sexism, and things like that. Those things are also doable, it's just that people don't like to talk about those, especially in the third-world country called USA, which while might have the best prices for electronics and food, have extreme cases of corporatism when it comes to the prices of health and education, and the privatization of health, education and prisons doesn't help, since all of them want to get as much money out of people and the state as possible, while offering their clients as little usefulness as possible (as per the consumerist approach to life). And it's not like someone will suddenly start learning engineering and write a book with useful technologies and as little text needed to understand the text as possible (not necessarily writing less or no text, but offering graphics with little or no text, and a dictionary page with the words used and what they could refer to, in images), so that even the people who can't read would still be able to make use of those graphics, and so that one person able to read can explain them rather quickly how things work, and if that book would be small enough to fit in a (pants) pocket, then people are more likely to carry it on their person and check when they need to solve a problem.

I digress again. Sorry for taking your time. I'm just slightly frustrated that I cannot fix those problems alone, and I can't find the people trying to fix those problems and talk to them. - Sapioit

Thanks for sharing your thoughts. The one by Dr. Job S. Ebenezer does fit many attachment through the use of a generalized belt drive, e.g. Standard_bicycle_with_pedal_power_attachment#Various_applications. I hear you on the engineering documents that are more universal, demotech has done some work on that, e.g. the step by step images at Weld wood. I hear you even more about trying to fix these problems alone. I hope you find a some people in your community to work with. I bet they are there, maybe not working directly on what you find the most interesting, but still on something that improves their community (e.g. a free food forest). Good luck! PS Sorry you can't edit that page anymore, it is probably our spam filters as we are getting hammered with spam (it is taking a lot of time daily just to keep deleting it all). If you login and edit a few more times, eventually the spam filters will stop acting so edgy with your edits. :) --Lonny (talk) 11:29, 19 September 2018 (PDT)
Thanks for the answer! One thing I was able to find is a Discord server for (disaster) preparedness and one on medieval stuff, on which I can discuss and find out more about technologies which could level up either civilizations or groups of people. For example, in my part of the world, people went straight from wells with a bucket and a crank to for the rope to coil around a tube (so the bucket can get up and down as we rotate the crank), to electric pumps, without the intermediary usage of crank pumps or treadle pump, even though that would reduce the effort needed to pump water, as well as make it kid-friendly. Around here, people in the countryside (rural areas) use bikes, but not load trikes (or freight trikes, instead they jumped right to cars, and there are a lot of things which could cheaply increase their living standards, which don't use either because they don't know, because they can't simply and cheaply find, and because nobody did around them before, so they can ask how well it's working out for them. And the mayor... well, let's say the mayor can't really be counted on. - Sapioit

Another thing...

Another thing I would suggest you to put on your front page is a recommendation for poor people who have enough classes to read, write, and do addition, subtraction, multiplication and division, to research and learn practical skills online, like engineering, permaculture, disaster preparedness, economics, psychology, and a lot of different tech and how it works and how it can be simplified or be done with cheaper materials even if it's less efficient.

A few examples would be:

• pedal-powered thin cars, about two thirds of a small car, or half a small car that is larger. Or just adding a frame and some covering for load trikes / freight trikes, so it can protect against the elements, while you're carrying cargo and perhaps passengers.
• solar panels made out of some stainless metal sheet, some black-painted metal piping and either a stirling engine with a generator, or a few peltier modules in a box protected from the elements.
• using soilcrete/dirtcrete/rammed-earth and/or aerated-concrete/aircrete to build cheaply.
• choose learning online over the internet, instead for paying a lot of money for going to university, and make your own classes of people who meet daily in the same place to learn together and teach eachother. Sure, a teacher might be needed from time to time, to answer your questions, but places like quora and some forums and sites for asking questions are really good for finding answers, although most of them use english, which should be the third thing thought, in order of priority, after your language and math, followed shortly by engineering which shall be taught initially instead of english, so the people can see results for themselves, and after teaching english to the point where people can understand, read, write and speak it, teach a bit more engineering in english, and leave them to reorganize themselves to learn other things they want to learn.

- sapioit

Hi, Lonny. Did you get my message? CupcakeCutey (talk) 13:43, 25 September 2018 (PDT)
Hi. Yep and responded. --Lonny (talk) 18:55, 25 September 2018 (PDT)

Question from Dove

Hi, Lonny. I'm Dove. It appears that you are the cofounder. I am a very helpful user here, who has welcomed over 200 users in the space of a week and has done almost 500 edits. I am interested in anti-vandalism work. I have created Category:Appropedians, Category:Female Appropedians, Category:Male Appropedians, Category:Appropedians in the United Kingdom and Category:Appropedia rollbackers. Is that okay with you? I'd just thought of letting you know just to be honest and not go behind your back without telling you. Cheers! I'm looking forward to start working with you! Dove (talk) 05:04, 22 November 2018 (PST)
Hi Dove,
Thank you for greeting people and for your edits. Also thank you for your question. In my opinion those pages are not appropriate or useful. Appropedians are already grouped in the userspace, and there is no reason to try to separate them into a limited/binary two sexes. I would appreciate you removing the categories. Thank you for your continued welcomes and edits.
--Lonny (talk) 08:03, 22 November 2018 (PST)
Okay. Could we just keep Category:Appropedians and delete the rest? It sound so much better! Plus, I am really interested in anti-vandalism work too. Dove (talk) 08:15, 22 November 2018 (PST)
Hi Dove, Thanks. There is already the list of all users. How would the Appropedians category be different and how would it be used?
--Lonny (talk) 10:21, 22 November 2018 (PST)

Well, with Wikipedia, they are known as Wikipedians. Appropedia has pedia in it, it would be cool to known as appropedians on appropedia. It will have a full list of appropedians on that category. Cool, huh? Plus, can I become an admin on Appropedia. I love this site, and how it is having more and more users here, I'm am becoming a bit concerned about there could be some vandals and sockpuppets here, I want to help and keep this website safe. I'm already have experience as a admin on Wikipedia. Can I become an admin/beauricat? Dove (talk) 05:22, 25 November 2018 (PST)

Lonny there is a sockpuppetry between User:NimaKhoshbakht and User:Arashooter, plus User:Arashooter has put an article up about himself that is not part of our mission. His user page needs deleting as I have requested for speedy deletion and he needs to be blocked for spamming and abusing multiple accounts. Dove (talk) 08:46, 5 December 2018 (PST)
Hi Dove,
I have deleted that page. Also, I am mostly certain (and our IT agrees), that these sockpuppet accounts, including Arashooter are all you. Can I ask what you are hoping to accomplish, if this is true? I appreciate all of your welcome messages to users. I also appreciate many of your space removing and wikicode edits (although be careful as the spaces you deleted from 3D Metal Printing Slicer Plugin were supposed to be there). Your actions through your many previous accounts are getting more and more useful (and much less destructive). Can I help you continue?
Thanks, --Lonny (talk) 19:42, 7 December 2018 (PST)

Lonny, I really want to become an admin! Dove (talk) 02:36, 8 December 2018 (PST)

I understand that. What is your account on Wikipedia? Also, please see my previous comments regarding this. Thanks, --Lonny (talk) 14:34, 8 December 2018 (PST)
My Wikipedia account is User:BrownHairedGirl. I don't really find it fair that you just hand out the offers to users that becomes admins. I love this website so much. I want to help protect it. Plus, I'm going to continue my hard work! Dove (talk) 02:15, 11 December 2018 (PST)
Hi Dove, I am sorry to do this...but you consistently engage in sockpuppetry. Your edits were mostly helpful this time around, but your lack of honesty and randomly aggressive edits have forced us to block you again. User:BrownHairedGirl has some harsh words at https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:BrownHairedGirl&oldid=873457555#Appropedia. Please see my last comments asking you to explain your actions. I hope you find what you are looking for and a healthier way to get it. --Lonny (talk) 01:52, 13 December 2018 (PST)

Welcoming

Hi, apologies for the botched welcome msg and accidental edit of the template page itself. That's what I get for trying to edit a wiki while a loved one was trying to talk to me at the same time! I realised that e.g. {{subst:welcome|Moribund}} was the correct way to use that template once I bothered to actually read the instructions. Kind regards, Moribund (talk) 14:14, 3 April 2019 (PDT)

No problem! Multitasking is often how we get stuff done around here anyways! --Lonny (talk) 12:22, 4 April 2019 (PDT)

Sup!

I'm Saftzie! I am an admin from Deletionpedia.org. My username there is DW. I am an astronomer, amateur stargazer and philosopher. I joined Appropedia to make a huge difference for the Eco-friendly community and to help change the world for the better Catch you around! Saftzie (talk) 16:35, 20 April 2019 (PDT)
Hi Saftzie,
It is nice to meet you. As always when you visit, we appreciate you, but your off-topic contributions and sock-puppet accounts are just too much for us to deal with. We hope you find a place that is perfect for you. Please continue to read and even make grammar edits here, but please stop with the off-topic or incorrect editions. Thank you, --Lonny (talk) 19:49, 20 April 2019 (PDT)
Yes, Lonny! That's all I want. Thank you for giving me another chance! I won't let you down. Saftzie (Message me!) 20:05, 20 April 2019 (PDT)
You need to delete the page, Universe. User:Meria Rica created it: Meria Rica contributions. And Exogenous Ketones Apple Iphone Apps too. Also So why and When You Require to Contact a A glass Repair Services For Office Buildings Saftzie (Message me!) 20:22, 20 April 2019 (PDT)
Hi Saftzie, You created that Universe page. I did delete it. You need to stop impersonating people and need to stop creating pages. Thank you, --Lonny (talk) 12:18, 21 April 2019 (PDT)
I did not create Universe. I created The Universe. Who am I impersonating? Saftzie (Message me!) 00:43, 23 April 2019 (PDT)

Delete spam pages

You need to delete the page, Universe. User:Meria Rica created it: Meria Rica contributions. And Exogenous Ketones Apple Iphone Apps too. Also So why and When You Require to Contact a A glass Repair Services For Office Buildings. Saftzie (Message me!) 20:53, 20 April 2019 (PDT)

Segapedia

Lonny, could you help me with my wiki called Segapedia? It is at Segapedia. My user name is "Tiger Mum". Saftzie (Message me!) 00:42, 23 April 2019 (PDT)

Dove Windsor/Saftzie/Windsor

Hello! I have created another account because I do not know how to change my username. I don't want to move my user page it still says my old usernames, so that was why I created many accounts because changing my username for me was impossible to do. I do hope that I can stick around and take your advice. I am NOT here to post any incorrect information, but to do grammar fixing work around here. I'm using an app called Grammarly that is good at fixinhg grammar. I am also on the lookout for vandalism like I always do. I am looking forward to starting over and keep the Appropedia community to a much higher standard. I hope that you understand! This is my last and final account and will NOT create anymore in future. If I do need my username changed, I will ask you to do so. Yours sincerely, --Dwindsor (talk) 07:21, 19 August 2019 (CDT)