Appropedia:Site development/Archive 3

Metadata and default license for image uploaders (visual/source editor)[edit | edit source]

Is this normal? Check this image for example. Recommended: set up a disclaimer, for examples: "Images uploaded are licensed as CC-BY-SA 4.0. For other licenses, use Special:Upload." --Emilio (talk)

@Emilio I just modified MediaWiki:Copyright so that the footer of all pages (including images) now reads "All content is available under CC-BY-SA unless otherwise specified". What do you think? Is it worth allowing images under a different license? Sophivorus (talk) 13:00, 17 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Scann, Sophivorus I think that works for now, and probably Scann may have some ideas. Emilio (talk) 15:43, 17 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think we need to clarify the license version (so I'd make it a CC BY 4.0, with a link to the unported/international version), but that should also be accompanied with the overhaul of the Copyrights page (which frankly doesn't make sense). Additionally I'd be very clear that other TOS might apply, we need to make that clear for folks. A safe bet would be to copy a similar footer to what Wikipedia currently has, even if we haven't written those pages yet. Also I wonder why we're putting CC BY SA as the recommended license. It might be tricky to recommend licenses. We probably want to generate a blurb that says: "don't know what the CC licenses are? Check here" or something in that line. Scann (talk) 13:04, 18 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Improve Help:Creating a page#Get started with a page template to use forms and visual editor[edit | edit source]

Sophivorus (talk) 18:06, 24 December 2020 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Done! Sophivorus (talk) 14:42, 12 August 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Poncho skin[edit | edit source]

@Emilio Hi! I just improved the Poncho skin so that the menu (top-right) now supports submenus, check it out! You'll notice that one of the submenus is just too long for this design, but I actually think the problem in this case is that the submenu is just too long in general, and it may be better to shorten it rather than expecting Poncho to support such long menus. Other than that, what do you think of this submenu strategy? Sophivorus (talk) 14:07, 17 February 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Emilio Hi again! I did some more tweaks to the skin based on what we talked, check it out at for example CCAT greenhouse, GSTC and Category:Medical courses. Feel free to play with the skin at MediaWiki:Poncho.css and let me know your thoughts and any issues you notice. Also, let me know when you settle on a color palette so I can start experimenting too, cheers! Sophivorus (talk) 13:19, 1 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Emilio Hi yet again! I just improved Poncho with some styling for the Talk namespace and Help link, as we discussed. Looking forward to those colors! Sophivorus (talk) 13:51, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I was looking at a subpage and noticed that the breadcrumb and the talk button create two lines. Is it possible to align them to avoid them taking up vertical space? I'll try to show you an example later. Emilio (talk) 18:42, 10 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Emilio Hi! I think I know what you mean. I moved the breadcrumbs above the title. However, because of the way floating works, the breadcrumbs still push the title a bit down, compare for example User:Sophivorus with User:Sophivorus/sandbox. Also, notice that the position of the breadcrumbs is necessarily the same as the redirect messages (and others, probably), see for example Template:Step. I'm still not 100% satisfied with the look/position of the talk page link, help link, page indicators, breadcrumbs, redirect messages, etc. There're so many and varied elements that it's difficult to find a coherent and simple solution. However I think the current situation is probably good enough. What do you think? Sophivorus (talk) 14:09, 29 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Databoxes[edit | edit source]

@Emilio Hi! I'm creating this task to track the progress regarding the transition from infoboxes to databoxes. Today I did some improvements to Template:Databox. I also created Template:Recipe data and added it to Preload:Recipe and to Chucrut. While doing so, I realized that the image, caption, keywords and authors parameters were exactly the same as in Template:Project data and that they would be exactly the same in all other equivalent databoxes (say Template:Device data, Template:Medical device data, etc). So I went ahead and created Template:Page data, the idea behind this databox being to hold the most generic page information, common to all or almost all pages, such as the image, caption, keywords, maybe the language code (not sure if to keep that at Template:Language data) and author information (though this will probably merit a Template:Author data of its own). Anyway I'm not sure if this will be the best approach in the end, but I think it's something we'll have to grapple with more sooner than later. Looking forward to your reply! Sophivorus (talk) 15:13, 29 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Sophivorus, Cassandreces Hi! This is so cool. Julieta and I will meet next Monday and speak a bit about use cases and the metadata for each of these. Then we can have a discussion about what could work. What do you think? — Emilio (talk) 00:53, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Emilio, Cassandreces Great! Can I join the meeting? Sophivorus (talk) 14:19, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Of course! Cassandreces (talk) 17:04, 1 April 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Contact info[edit | edit source]

@Emilio Hi! Today I normalized a few projects and in one of them I encountered contact information. There're many many pages with such contact information, so I just created Template:Contact so we can start giving them some structure, functionality, semantics, etc. I also wrote some documentation and included a link to it on Appropedia:Toolbox. I suspect it may become a popular template if we encourage it, but should we? Sophivorus (talk) 15:31, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hmm, not sure why I didn't think of this before, but obviously the contact template should've been a databox! So I just renamed and remade Template:Contact into Template:Contact data and updated Tablet chlorinators to stop waterborne disease in Haiti to make use of it. We may need to talk about what to do with pages that have multiple contact details (there're a few of those) but in any case I think it's quite clear that this is another use case for databoxes. Also, I updated Appropedia:Toolbox with a new section for databoxes. Cheers! Sophivorus (talk) 17:49, 30 March 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Dead links script[edit | edit source]

@Sophivorus Hi Felipe! I wanted to know what the status of the dead links script is? Is it still "under maintenance"? :)

@Kathy Nativi, Emilio Hi! Some time ago, we run the fixDeadLinks.php script over the entire wiki and later found that it replaced thousands of perfectly live and valid links for archived versions. So I made another script, called fixArchivedLinks.php, to replace archived links for live links (when the live links were actually alive, obviously). Today I finished running this second script and I believe it has fixed most of the misdeeds of the first script. I also improved the first script, made it more robust and cautious than before, which means it will be less likely to replace valid links for archived links. However, we should all be aware that some errors are inevitable, because some websites return incorrect status codes and thus confuse the scripts. So for example, a website may return a 403 forbidden error code, triggering the fixDeadLinks.php script, but when you actually visit the site, you find it's not forbidden but perfectly accessible. Likewise, a site may return a 200 ok code, but when you visit the site, find a blank page or some sort of DIY 404 page. In short, making a script that is 100% reliable is unfeasible, but I think the current version is quite reliable now. That being said, I don't think it's necessary to re-run the fixDeadLinks.php script, since most of the dead links have been fixed already. But maybe Kathy has some stats on the actual number of dead links? Kind regards, Sophivorus (talk) 16:11, 31 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Kathy Nativi, Sophivorus, J.M.Pearce Thanks a lot! I'm copying Joshua since he requested this as well. —Emilio (talk) 17:47, 1 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Appropedia Foundation site[edit | edit source]

@Lonny, Emilio Hi! Today I started to set up the site at https://foundation.appropedia.org I accessed WHM and created a new account for it, all good. However when I accessed the cPanel of the new account, I noticed an error message related to the SSL certificate that said "foundation.appropedia.org isn't resolving to an IP address on the Internet". Then I visited https://foundation.appropedia.org and got a similar error. I'm not extremely familiar with WHM so I may have missed some step, but it may also be that the new subdomain needs to be somehow registered at the registrar. May this be the case? Or have you never had to register subdomains at the registar before, for example when setting up https://dev.appropedia.org ? Looking forward to your reply, cheers! Sophivorus (talk) 17:48, 26 May 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Solved! https://foundation.appropedia.org is up! Sophivorus (talk) 17:36, 25 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Sitemap couldn't fetch[edit | edit source]

@Sophivorus Hi! For the last couple of days, I've been getting the following errors when Google tries to index the sitemap: "Your Sitemap contains too many URLs. Please create multiple Sitemaps with up to 50000 URLs each and submit all Sitemaps." And "We encountered an error while trying to access your Sitemap. Please ensure your Sitemap follows our guidelines and can be accessed at the location you provided and then resubmit."

@Kathy Nativi, Emilio Hi! I've been wanting to one-up our old sitemap solution for a while, and finally today I did. Before we had mw:Extension:AutoSitemap that regenerated the sitemap after every edit. Now I set up a cronjob that runs once a day and regenerates the sitemap using the standard generateSitemap.php maintenance script. This new sitemap, unlike the old one, consists of an index pointing to 5 different sitemaps, one per namespace, so I think we won't get the "too many links" error we had before. FIY, the sitemap now lives in the /sitemap subdirectory, so for example the index can be found at https://www.appropedia.org/sitemap/sitemap-index-appropedia.xml I already updated its location at the Google Search Console, but we should be watchful of any issues these changes may cause. Kind regards, Sophivorus (talk) 14:22, 1 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Sophivorus, Kathy Nativi I know virtually nothing about sitemaps, but this looks really, really cool! Thanks for your support! —Emilio (talk) 17:46, 1 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Emilio @Sophivorus Thank you! I checked it in Google Search Console, and yeah, the sitemap actually loaded and processed correctly with no errors. Kathy Nativi (talk) 18:00, 1 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Some pages appear as existing but cannot be deleted[edit | edit source]

@Sophivorus, Irene92 Hi! User:Irene92 Found that some pages (she can only recall Baby Delivery for now appear on Special:UncategorizedPages but don't render when opened, and cannot be deleted either. Is this normal? —Emilio (talk) 15:24, 14 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Emilio @Irene92 Good catch, definitely not normal. I haven't been able to fix it yet but I've taken note of the bug and will fix it eventually, thanks for the report! Sophivorus (talk) 15:41, 14 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Sophivorus, Irene92 Thanks a lot! Now that I think of it, this might be what is causing these 404 errors on Google Search Console.—Emilio (talk) 19:51, 16 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

No problem, happy to help! Irene92 (talk) 07:47, 24 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Request for specific language support[edit | edit source]

@Sophivorus One of the GSTC teams has requested support for the six UN languages plus Swahili (English, French, Spanish, Chinese, Russian, and Arabic and Swahili). They looked at NextGenU.org's Google translate function. Is it possible to create an extra language template for users who need their content to be translated into all possible languages using Google Translate? I think this will be useful for this team and others in the future.--Emilio (talk) 02:57, 22 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

@Emilio Sure! I just updated the default language list in Template:Page data to the requested languages and added an "other" option. I also created Template:Google translate to link to additional languages. Anybody can easily add new languages by editing the template and replicating the link pattern. Will this do? Cheers! Sophivorus (talk) 12:00, 22 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I think it will definitely do! This is pretty cool, thanks! Emilio (talk) 22:17, 22 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Links shortening[edit | edit source]

@Sophivorus I've implemented User:Emilio/links.js as an alternative to the link shortening on databoxes and wanted to show it to you. See how it's used here. What do you think? —Emilio (talk) 00:13, 26 June 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

As mentioned via phone, the problem with this kind of solution is that the user may and will often think that the shortened link leads to the home page of the website, rather than to a specific resource within it. Less confusing is to trim the link with an elipsis "..." like it's currently done. Sophivorus (talk) 12:30, 16 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Safari not rendering video annotation example[edit | edit source]

@Sophivorus Hello! While doing a video annotation tutorial using Safari, I noticed the video example is not rendering. Perhaps you can take a look at it when you have time? I'm not an expert in the field, but could it be related to the file type? Kathy Nativi (talk)

@Kathy Nativi Apparently the problem is that Safari doesn't support the WEBM format (except perhaps the very latest versions of Safari), see https://www.applesfera.com/aplicaciones-os-x-1/webm-llega-a-safari-para-mac-quizas-sea-demasiado-tarde Sophivorus (talk) 15:43, 26 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Gotcha! Thanks, Felipe Kathy Nativi (talk) 16:25, 27 July 2021 (UTC)Reply[reply]