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==Fatima's Internship ==
 
Hi Curt. Thank you for that message. I have spent the last one hour going throught the Wikitutorial like you said and am just trying to remember how and what all I did on Appropedia last semester before I begin to port ( I think it has all come back to me!!). Though I am not sure how to use user-talk; I hope I have'nt completely messed up your page.
 
I am glad to be working with you!
And I have uploaded a picture of myself. It is always good to associate a face with a name!--[[User:Fatima|Fatima]] 13:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)
 
==Refreshed todo (not prioritized)==
* [[forums:forum|Link to forums]]
* Cards
* Main page
** How to support Ap
** Highlighted contributor, organization, portal, initiative
 
More
* Grantwriting
** Big picture, Scope / scale, Metrics (how to measure success)
** Phasing / Staging
** Who to apply to?
** Who approves grant requests / proposals prior to submission?
***Internal grant review board?
* Portals, Logo
* NS coloring, RSS, Interns
* Porting / conversion tools
* Original namespace management
 
==My useful links==
==My useful links==
{{Discussion tracker}}
*[[MediaWiki:OAN cats]]
*<nowiki>{{subst:User:Curtbeckmann/Welcome}}</nowiki>
*[[User:Curtbeckmann/Ns coloring]]
*[[Special%3AAllpages&from=&namespace=100|List of portals]]
*[[Special:Statistics]]
*[[Appropedia talk:Statistics tracking]]
*[[Appropedia talk:Statistics tracking]]
*[[User:Curtbeckmann/Topic table]]
*[[User:Curtbeckmann/Topic table]]
*[[User:Curtbeckmann/monobook.css]]
*[[:Category talk:Topic/Draft of areas]]
*[[:Category talk:Topic/Draft of areas]]
*[[User talk:Curtbeckmann/Articles without areas]]
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*[[Category talk:Topic/Draft of metatopic structure]]
*[[Category talk:Topic/Draft of metatopic structure]]
Add to "Requested content" to "not found" search text
See [[MediaWiki:noarticletext]]
See [[Special:Allmessages]]
See [[MediaWiki:noexactmatch]]
==Possible initiatives==
==Possible initiatives==
*Recruiting interns
*Recruiting interns
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*Adminship
*Adminship
*Archiving
*Archiving
*What Extension
*Recent Ports
*Porting, historical link templates, “Beyond Dams” stuff
*Content duplicated - one of them needs deleting?
*Hello Curt
*Thanks for the Tome
*Titles of original documents
*Worldchanging
*Spelling/Grammar Notification
*Sparsely populated parent categories & empty sub-categories


== What Extension  ==
== Transclusion ==
What Extension did you use for the RSS, digg etc. syndication? Thanks [[User talk:Trav]]


== Recent Ports ==
FYI - if we use transclusion method for protecting the text of original documents, then there's a neater way than using the "Template:" space. Any page can be transcluded. For example, edit this section/page, add the text <nowiki>{{Parras Water}}</nowiki> and click preview - the whole article is transcluded.
 
Even the text of a category page can be transcluded. I created Category:Water/test, with just a sentence, which I'll transclude here:
:Testing transclusion text. <!--replaced transclusion "{{subst:Category:Water/test}}" with the actual text using {{subst:Category:Water/test}}, so I can delete the category - Chriswaterguy, 5 Nov 2009. -->
 
I assume the software searches in the template space, then failing that it looks for the page with that name and no "Template:" prefix.
 
The upshot is that I think it would be better to put the protected text in a page with the same name plus a suffix (e.g. "/protected"). What do you think? --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 04:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
:I learned about the transclusion of non-templates when I was about halfway thru templatizing things.  I think the "/protected" approach could work fine.  My biggest concern is where the search engines send people.  I also like grouping all originals together, which works slightly better with namespaces, in my opinion, but a Category also works quite well (as long as we have <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> around the Categorization).
:So, to reiterate, my biggest concern is ranking of originals versus derived material.  I think rearranging our current approach (30+ pages) won't take too long, whatever the new approach is... And we'll need to document the policy etc, but I'll have to defer to our search engine expert (Lonny) for which approach (if any) works best in that regard.  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 07:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
::I think this approach is compatible with the namespace solution; I don't think the templates should get significant google hits. For one thing, they'd be on the same site, so I imagine they'd be indented under the main linked page, if they show up; or possibly show up only through the "more results from this site" link. The Appropedia search engine might be trickier - hadn't thought of that.
 
::We will (I say boldly) have a notice template at the top of the /protected page, through the use of code like "<tt><nowiki><noinclude>{{transcluded}}</nowiki></tt>", where {{tl|transcluded}} (or whatever) is a notice that this page is just for transclusion.
 
::Another thought has just occurred to me - if someone wants to copy material (including wiki markup) from an original document, transclusion could make it confusing. That's almost enough to put me off the transclusion approach. (We could add an edit button as part of the template at the top of the original page, but it's all getting confusing by that point.)
 
::Following from that last thought, here's a possible alternative approach: don't use transclusion, but simply protect all original documents. At the same time, implement a liberal policy of appointing admins (which I favor anyway). Basically anyone we believe to be responsible and basically wiki-aware, who's been active for at least a few weeks, could go on probation as an admin. That way we quickly have a sizable number of admins to look after original docs, and who can quickly respond to any suggestions for changes to protected pages that are made by non-admins. Before doing that, though, it might be worth finding out why Wikipedia took a less liberal path, even though I think Jimbo expressed a preference for a liberal policy, in the early days. Hope i haven't done too many run-on sentences... just a quick response before I pull myself out of the vortex and make a dent in the boring stuff like tax that I should have done weeks ago...
 
::Btw, I know I haven't answered your comment on my Wikipedia talk page - I think it's a great idea to get in touch with editors there. Perhaps after we've got the WikiGreen thing done, so we've got more to impress people with. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 21:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)
 
== Solar hot water ==
 
Not sure if you moved [[:Category:Solar hot water]] to [[:Category:Solar thermal hotwater]], but I still favor the first - more succinct. Plus thermal seems unnecessarily specific - it's generally superfluous, but even if there were a system heating water via photovoltaics (very inefficient) then it could go in the same category. Also, hot water should be 2 words.
 
Wanted to check with you first, cat moves being more awkward than normal page moves. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 18:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)
 
== Discussion tracker ==
 
As Lonny mentioned recently, it can be hard to keep track of what's happening on the community discussion pages, with there being such a number of pages, so I had a first go at a {{tl|Discussion tracker}}. <nowiki>{{Discussion tracker|Curtbeckmann}}</nowiki> gives
 
{{Discussion tracker}}
 
<br>Hope you find it helpful. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 19:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)
 
== Category naming ==
 
Finally avoided other distractions for a short time and had a look at [[User talk:Curtbeckmann/Category naming]]. I think it's very good, and would strongly support this being our working policy on category naming. I've also made some renaming suggestions, under yours on that page. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 13:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)
 
== Redlinks ==


Hi Curt,
Hi Curt,


Great work on the recent portsThey look very good.  --[[User:Lonny|Lonny]] 23:50, 7 November 2006 (PST)
Saw your recent comments, and just wanted to let you know that we are still working on the interwiki map today.  --[[User:Lonny|Lonny]] 20:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)
:Thanks, Lonny.  I figured as much...but was concerned about the high profile links begin red.  Fixed a few that were easy to find, then it got inefficient real fast..Thanks for the heads up.  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 20:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)


:Yes, excellent work.
== Topic table ==


:Related to porting, see this post: [[Appropedia talk:Policy discussion#Permission for copying information]]. Could be an important issue, but at the same time I don't want to make it difficult for our hardworking [[porting helper]]. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 02:46, 9 November 2006 (PST)
Should I leave comments directly on [[User:Curtbeckmann/Topic table]] (seeing as it's a work in progress)? Or perhaps we could chat about it. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 21:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)
::Hi Chris,
::Thanks for the pointer.  Having just followed your link to the Wikipedia "copyright permissions" guide, I was happy to discover that I basically asked the right question.  I asked the author if it was okay to publish under GNU-FDL, but did not clarify the "anyone can edit" part of it.  I'll check back on that.  I would prefer if we have resolved the CC attribution versus GNUFDL or GNU SFDL question, but I'm confident they will be supportive, and so I don't mind investing the porting effort.
::On a related note, I think it's time to create the policy page.  I can think of 3 or 4 policies, depending on what's called a policy. 
::*Encyclopedic content (listed in Ruleset)
::*Copyright request policy
::*Deletion policy (reference whenever we delete pages)
::::''And see the related page, [[Appropedia:Transwikiing]]. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 16:27, 12 November 2006 (PST)
::*Page naming policy (listed somewhere else?)
::::Discussed elsewhere... the page [[Help:Page naming]] and section [[Help:Contents#Naming conventions]]. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 16:27, 12 November 2006 (PST)
::*Categorization policy (still shaping up...I think the topics issue is very relevant, and would like to see a separate page to assist in navigation rather than burdening the category page with that)
::::Going well I see... though I'm unsure what you mean by "burdening the category page with that" - I think the category pages are the ideal ones to use for navigation. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 16:27, 12 November 2006 (PST)
::If we create a policy page (and I would probably do that myself after finishing the porting effort, which I'm about 30% through), then I would think that "policy discussion" would belong on the talk:policy page.  Strong opinions? Let me know...  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 10:06, 9 November 2006 (PST)


:::That's all good. I agree re moving [[Appropedia talk:Policy discussion]].


:::btw I think that ideally we should resolve the questions at [[Appropedia:Policy discussion#singularizing categories]] and [[Category talk:Topic#Topic & Fundamental categories]] before we do too much categorization of pages. I know I wasn't going to do much for a few days, but I'll give a quick answer or two... your input also appreciated if you have any thoughts. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 16:27, 12 November 2006 (PST)


== Porting, historical link templates, “Beyond Dams” stuff ==
Hi Curt, just came across the [[:Category:Topics | topic page]] that you modified as it was out of date . [Yes, I know it was a few months ago, but I haven't been here for a while!!].


Again, I must say that the porting work you're doing is great - it's adding such a lot to the site. I notice you're becoming quite adept with wiki markup as well.
The new page does not match the left hand nav bar and I always thought the original was a good way of finding pages quickly. Also I think the original page gave an impression that there was plenty going on in the site unlike the dry page that is there now. Maybe it would be better to keep the original for the time being?  -[[User:Cgfoz|Cgfoz]] 12:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)


It seems we've basically resolved the original documents issue (with the historical link/permalink method... see [[User:Singkong2005/busy]] for my test. The link continued to link to the historical version even when the page was moved.) So, once that is worked out, I can see how this material can be incorporated and expanded (as long as the authors are cool with it.)
== Welcome ==


I must say the “Beyond Dams” material is quite impressive and very valuable... the idea of going beyond dams is itself an important one.
Welcome, Steve! Glad to have you on board! --CurtB 20:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)


I was looking at the [[Desalination plants (original)]] page - it's quite a good summary of the issue - I was following the issue in the media in Sydney (along with academic assessments) and they seem to have the basic facts well covered. Considering the very significant environmental impact, I'd like to have a section pointing to alternatives, like greater efficiency (i.e. lower usage), stormwater recycling, sewage recycling, and rainwater harvesting - I'll look at that once the historical link template thing is finalized (will help on that tomorrow, time permitting), and I'll also point the page out to Greens people in this state. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 07:21, 13 November 2006 (PST)
Retrieved from "https://www.appropedia.org/User_talk:PlantPhotos"


:Thanks, Chris. I'd like to point the author of the "Beyond Dams" at the collection of ported articles for review when I'm done porting, probably in another week. I guess we can point to historical docs if we edit some, but that would mean we might need to edit a historical doc, which seems a tad problematic. Or would you mind waiting (of course, anyone else can edit, so perhaps the historical approach is better?). Alternatively, we can save the changes (hopefully fairly localized), "revert", make the edits, create a new historical link, then apply the edits again. --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 07:26, 13 November 2006 (PST)
Thanks for the welcome. I am checking this wiki frequently, and love the whole idea. I grew up on a Vermont farm, mostly subsistence, grew most of our own food, and went shopping about once every 6 weeks. This was in the 1970's or so.  I was born in 1957. I see this returning, as energy, and environmental concerns again become of utmost importance. I have been living the appropriate technology lifestyle for 50 years, so hopefully can contribute some useful information to those younger people who are thinking about it now.
--[[User:PlantPhotos|Steve Gallagher]] 15:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)
 
== moving cats ==
 
A partial solution to loss of history when moving categories. See [[Help:Moving a page#Moving a category]]. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small> 01:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)
 
:Thanks, Curt and robotic minion. The author thing didn't quite work (dates instead of author names) but all up, good effort. And we now have a more settled naming system, which makes me happier about posting and sending links, nowing they'll stay valid. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small>
 
== Rename from Transportation to Transport? ==
 
Please see [[Category_talk:Transportation#Can we rename from Transportation to Transport?]] - thanks. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small> 04:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)
 
== Greenlivingpedia ==
 
Curt, thanks for making contact with me on [http://www.greenlivingpedia.org/ Greenlivingpedia]. I had located Appropedia after we created Greenlivingpedia and have linked to it from our Directory. We think there is space for Greenlivingpedia to progress with a focus on sustainable housing in Australia. Let's progress with mutual collaboration and interwiki links for now, and consider merging down the track. Regards, [[User:Peter Campbell|Peter Campbell]] 21:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)
 
== Your thoughts requested... ==
 
at [[User_talk:Chriswaterguy#Greenlivingpedia interwiki]]. Thanks --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small> 16:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)
 
== attribution in comments ==


::Ah, so the individual pages might still change between now and when you finish porting? In that case, best that we wait a week - probably no one will edit them much. If they do get edited, it should be fairly easy to deal with:
Hi Curt, to clarify what I'd suggested about attribution in comments, I redid your edits in [[:Category:Water]]. Instead of leaving a note on the page to credit the author, I used the edit summary: ''add content by David Bartecchi of Village Earth, as part of the merger of the Village Earth wiki)''.
::# revert the changes,  
::# finalize the historical version,
::# save and get the url of the current version in history.
::# revert to the edit before step 1
::# change the template to {{tl|Contains beyonddams}} or equivalent, using the url as the argument.


::Oh dear, getting carried away with solutions to problems that haven't happened yet...
I also redid the previous move (I didn't realize that "rollback" undid every edit by the previous editor) with edit summary ''"arsenic" content moved to Arsenic in groundwater (just doing what Curt did, but trying different approach to edit summary for such moves)''. LMK if there's a prob. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small> 16:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)


::See {{tl|Contains beyonddams}} for my first attempt on the historical link template. Needs work, and a better and/or simpler name. Still it can be used, and improved at any stage. As I think you're aware, it also needs to made as general as possible, to ease adaptation for other sources.
== Rethinking categories ==


::Btw, a small issue with the historical url (to the original document page): if the page is moved, then clicking the historical url will show the original page, as intended... except that if the page has been moved, the title will be the ''new'' title, not the ''original'' title. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 07:54, 13 November 2006 (PST)
See [[User_talk:Lonny#Photovoltaics how-to?]] --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small> 06:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)


:::Another approach is to give the page a more specific name (e.g. [[Water conservation (Beyond Dams)]]) and then protect it from editing, and mention that in the notice, as well as giving a link to the editable version [[Water conservation]]. The editable versions would have a template similar to {{tl|Contains beyonddams}}, linking to the original document.
== Missing Images Bot Needed ==


:::Anyway, we have a week to consider the options, before we need to decide. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 08:06, 13 November 2006 (PST)
Hey Curt, got a way to tag pages with one or more missing images?  I noticed a number of the CD3WD pages
were lacking images.  It wasn't real consistant, so I don't know if they were already missing pre-assimilation
or not, but anyway, a bot to tag them with a 'Missing Images' category would be nice, that way I can just pull
up the category and fix them.


::::I like this last approach quite a bit.  Create an "invariant" version, plus an evolving version, which should be the "main" version.  Put the evolving version in the category tree.  The invariant version can be categorized as "invariant" or something, but otherwise wouldn't show up in navigation.  We can put a link (and attribution) in the evolving page, as well as links from the organization page, as appropriate.  Does that all make sense?  As you say, we've got a week (if I'm fast, more if I'm slow). [[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 16:20, 13 November 2006 (PST)
Or is there another way to identify them ?
::::By the way, I just was looking at [[Wikipedia:Aung_San_Suu_Kyi]] and noticed that it was "part of a series" on Burma Governance or something.  This is interesting because all the separate Beyond Dams pages are "part of a series" in a sense.  Perhaps the beyonddams template should reference that somehow.  I can expand the "Beyond Dams" category, to provide more info, etc.  But think about this a little.  It's a tad different than the stuff from Demotech, or Ole Ersson, which does not (I think) have the same unifying theme.  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 16:20, 13 November 2006 (PST)


I wrote a little php script that loops through and detects them, it's not great, but it works.  A bot would be better.  I've got this script on a 1 sec per page throttle, so it plays nice and won't grab all the bandwidth.
See [[Back_Yard_and_Commercial_Rabbit_Production_12]] as an example of a page with missing images.


:::::I think the "part of a series" boxes are a great idea, where applicable, though I'd be more inclined to put them on current pages than historical ones (putting more emphasis on the editable, improve-able pages, which is what this is about.
[[User:Ericblazek|Ericblazek]] 06:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)


:::::For the same reason, I'm coming to think that it's better to use the link to the history rather than than creating a separate "invariant" version... we should move this to the policy discussion page and seek consensus on this. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 18:59, 21 November 2006 (PST)
==Moving categories, an update?==
I must be behind the times in some respects. Obviously some recent version of MediaWiki has made it easy to move cats as with pages - or is there a clever way? I was definitely warned - some months ago - that it would not work, that you could add a cat redirect template but you had to change each item manually. Your note mentions "category.py". Er?? Sort me out? (But I'm off to bed very soon, so you may get no more for the next 20+ hours!) [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 07:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


::::Yeah, I guess it's time to take the next step.  Those pages are, by default, blessed.  I'm totally fine with the historical approach, as long as we are not likely to see any edits (and to be honest, I think I was pretty faithful, so in my mind it's partly a matter of choosing what the right policy is).  If editing isn't an issue, then historical versions are great.  Then I guess there is a question of where the links are. Makes sense to put them on the category page, so the BeyondDams category page will have hand-entered links to the historical pages, then the auto-links to the latest-greatest pages. At some point, if/when the derived page has become unrecognizable, then we remove the attribution template, and the categorization goes away, and the current (unrecognizable) version drops off the category page.  That's perfect.
==More newcomers to welcome==
Show up clearly on Recent changes - a redlinked "Talk" page. Over to your welcoming squad!! Goodnight. [[User:Robin Patterson|Robin Patterson]] 07:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)


:::::I've just thought of a problem with the historical approach - we can't protect or soft protect a historical page without protecting the editable page. So if someone in their confusion attempts to edit a historical page and saves it (in spite of the warning) then it will be a mess - we either have to wipe their contributions, or go to some trouble to extract the useful stuff, revert and then re-add... requiring a lot of work, and a judgement call on what's "useful". I don't see a way around that, so we might have to take the other approach.
== Imagemap extension for buttons ==


:::::And if someone tries to edit the page and gets put off by the warning, that's also bad - we could lose contributors.
Curt,


:::::My assumption is that the original documents are not for editing - I think they should be protected, with a very brief explanation of why (with a link to a fuller explanation, e.g. ''This is an [[Appropedia:Original documents|original document]] and is protected from editing.'') Also it should have a prominent list of links to relevant editable pages (and/or a link to those using the relevant notice template). --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 20:16, 22 November 2006 (PST)
I have installed the [http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:ImageMap Imagemap] extension which supports buttons (images) linking directly to urls and interwikis rather than the image itself.  I have used buttons on the front page of [http://www.greenlivingpedia.org Greenlivingpedia] if you want to check this out.  It might be worth using this functionality for Appropedia too, at least on the front page. I have left a note about this for Chris too. Regards, [[User:Peter Campbell|Peter Campbell]] 07:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)
:Hi Guys,
:We use an image map extension. Currently we only use it with the highlighted project (see front page), but maybe we should start using it for buttons like on Greenlivingpedia (which looks great).  Thank you so much for the update Peter.  We really appreciate it. --[[User:Lonny|Lonny]] 09:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)


::::::Perhaps these pages should be just soft protected {{WP|Wikipedia:Soft protection}}), so that regular contributors can edit the categories, "See also" etc. Another way would be to put the original document in a separate, protected page, which is then transcluded into the final page where cats, "See also," "External links" etc are added. -- [[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 03:59, 25 November 2006 (PST)
== about Help:Ayudar a los conceptos básicos ==
:::::::{{WP|Wikipedia:Semi-protection_policy}} seems to be the link that you meant.  That looks like the right way to go about protecting the (largely) invariant page.  I don't agree with transclusion of the invariant page, because I think edits should be available within the body of the original text, but transclusion would only allow before or after...  Or maybe I misunderstand something.  Either way, it would seem that there will need to be two page names.  I suggest that the page names be essentially the same, with a tag, or maybe two, like (orig) and/or (live)...  Actually, after just a moment's consideration, I think that only the original should have the tag, since I think the tag would be confusing on a "normal" page...  Also makes me think that the PATB tag that I've been appending to the Practical Action Technical Brief ports may "want" to be dropped from editable pages...  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 09:38, 26 November 2006 (PST)
:::::I have just initiated an example of the dual page approach: See [[Alternatives to hydroelectric energy]] and [[Alternatives to hydroelectric energy (original)]].  Chris, if you think this is reasonable, it seems there are a few "next steps" (warning indentation shift!):
::#Clarify and close on template creation and usage (currently have [[Template:Originalported]] for original pages...do we need a template for the editable pages?  Seems clumsy, but I'm concerned that the "this is ported content" message will be intimidating to others unless we soften it with something like "the core content of this editable page was originally ported from another source.  The original version of the content can be viewed at ((provide link to original version of Appropedia page here))"
::#Clarify and close on any kind of name tagging scheme for original pages.  I thought about the copyright character, which would be nice and distinct, but which is tricky to type (I don't know how to do it...I've inserted it by using copy/paste in the past...)
::#Document the answers as part of the porting policy
::#Take action on all the ported content pages that have not yet been handled...
:::::What do you think?


::::::I think that's good progress - well done!
Hello, I just saw your translation into Spanish of [[Help:Conceptos básicos]]. There are some expressions which don't sound very well. Do you mind if I check your translation? --[[User:Javier Carro|Javier Carro]] 22:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)
::::::Re point 2: It's not copyright in the usual sense (and the original version is not protected for copyright reasons), but rather it's "copyleft", so the copyright character isn't really suitable. I like putting (original) at the end of the title.


::::::I haven't had as much time to think about Appropedia lately (as you've no doubt noticed), but still around... I would love to find a really effective speech recognition program that I could also use on whatever computer I happen to be on, as it would improve my productivity enormously, and give my hands & wrists a break... Maybe I just need to save up and get a decent laptop with something like Dragon NaturallySpeaking 9, but it's a pity that the major speech recognition program is on Windows and not Linux... --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 06:44, 3 December 2006 (PST)
:Hi Javier,
:I'd love it if you chipped in and improved the page!  Longer response at [[User talk:Javier Carro]].  Thanks.  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 23:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


::::One question, which I think might have been raised before, is what happens if the page is moved... I guess it would move the historical page also?  That might not be obvious...but I guess we could figure it out.  It would be harder to figure out if the current page had lost it's attribution... I guess that's the (small) issue with using history; the fact that it may not be truly invariant?  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 21:30, 21 November 2006 (PST)
::I'm glad to hear that. Thanks a lot for the welcoming :)--[[User:Javier Carro|Javier Carro]] 23:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)


== Welcome note glitch ==


:::::I experimented with that - the old link to the historical page should work even after it's moved. But as I said above, there's other problems with the historical link approach. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 20:16, 22 November 2006 (PST)
There's a problem with the welcome template you're using - e.g. see how [https://www.appropedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AGarymiller&diff=29990&oldid=26798 this edit] below the welcome note puts the text inside the box - I've noticed it elsewhere too. Lacking a <nowiki></div></nowiki>, it looks like... but when I went to {{tl|welcome}} it seems to have the <nowiki></div></nowiki>. Are you using a different template? --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small> 23:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)


== Content duplicated - one of them needs deleting?  ==


Just checking: when you moved [[Appropedia:Categorization]] to [[Help:Categories]], did you mean to delete some/all of [[Appropedia:Categorization]]? (I've made those mistakes...) --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 05:02, 26 November 2006 (PST)
==Article Count and translations==
Hi Curt -- I noticed the number of articles just got cut in about half --what happened???


:I did mean to delete [[Appropedia:Categorization]]...  Though thinking back maybe my thought was to see what other people thought prior to doing the delete....  I agree that we don't need it twice.  I'll delete the Appro:Cat version, since I think it belongs in Help.  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 09:12, 26 November 2006 (PST)
Also I would like to target some languague profs at Clarion to begin spanish translation -- are we ready for commissioned assistnments -- and is there anything I should know besides what is on the [[Translation]] page??


== Hello Curt ==
Thanks
--[[User:J.M.Pearce|Joshua]] 13:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


Thanks for the Welcome.  I'm a Canadian teacher (english, math and science) with a background in environmental toxicology and industrial waste management coupled with interests in self sufficiency. Have helped out a couple of sections with spelling/grammar already and am generally getting to know the site. Although not a computer expert I am comfortable with them and know how to follow destructions;-)I'll be working on developing my projects here, backyard wood gasification, energy self sufficiency (probably a stirling cogenerator) and the building of my dream retirement home using timber frame and straw bale techniques.  I also plan to help out and as you seem to have been here a bit longer than I a few pointers as to where I can be of most use would be appreciated.
:Hi Guys,
:Hope you don't mind, but I went ahead a [[User_talk:J.M.Pearce#Article_count_and_Spanish_translation|butted]] into this conversationThank you, --[[User:Lonny|Lonny]] 18:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)


Max
::Well, my biggest concern is that I didn't get an email from these edits.
::Second comment is that I believe that our article count was quite inflated as the result of something during the integration of a bunch of content months ago.  But I would have estimated our article count in the 2000 article range, maybe 2500, not 1400, so something's not right now, as Lonny says.  <sigh>
::Third is, I think Lonny covered the bases on Spanish.  I'll check back again in a while on Spanish, but I'm currently sucked into some other topics...  Durnit.  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 22:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)


== Thanks for the Tome ==
:::Perhaps you didn't get an email because you'd previously been notified of an edit to that page, but hadn't actually viewed the page since? (This is an issue for me on many pages.) --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small> 14:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


Nope, Not scared off.  Found the site quite by accident, a link in one of the yahoo groups I'm in I think, and said AHAH.  The compilation of fragmented data is exactly what I see happening here.  Thanks for the tips on the preview screen, sorry if I inadvertantly added to the workload for a bit but that's part of learning.  I'll look at the porting and if I can't do it now I will learn.  As an aside the bold button doesn't seem to work.--
== Displaying a search box in a wiki page ==


Just looked at it and am a bit confused regarding the creation of an original uneditable copy and an editable copy.  I understand the difference but not the "how to" of creating one or the other.  Also is there an easier way to talk back and forth that doesn't take up memory space permanently or does the community just use email?
This is supposed to display a search box (for the [[APDS]]):
[[User:Vacuum1313|Vacuum1313]] 12:49, 30 November 2006 (PST)


== Titles of original documents ==
<script src="http://gmodules.com/ig/ifr?url=http://www.google.com/coop/api/008224879786263662799/cse/dlukhlm8-0m/gadget&amp;synd=open&amp;w=320&amp;h=75&amp;title=Appropedia's+Public+Domain+Search&amp;border=%23ffffff%7C0px%2C1px+solid+%2399BB66%7C0px%2C2px+solid+%23AACC66%7C0px%2C2px+solid+%23BBDD66&amp;output=js"></script>


A thought regarding the name of [[Solar thermal energy PATB]] - if we're using the original owner of the material in the page name (which I think is good), then should we change other pages to be consistent? E.g. move [[Reducing runoff (original)]] to [[Reducing runoff (IRN and AR)]].
Does this mean it's impossible? It doesn't work in [http://web.archive.org/web/20210201133309/https://www.livejournal.com/ LJ] either (with or without the "embed" option).


My first thought was to replace "PATB" with "(Practical Action)" or "(Practical Action Technical Brief)" in the relevant page titles, but the full version of IRN and AR gets unwieldy. So I guess abbreviations are better - or we could use abbreviations for long names, and in full if it's a short name.
Next step: I'm looking at how to put the homepage of the search engine onto the Appropedia domain. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small> 17:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)


Keep up the good work. It's great to see the active editing community starting to grow as well. :) --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 17:35, 6 December 2006 (PST)
== Community discussion template ==
:Moving this conversation to [[Appropedia talk:Porting pages#Titles of original documents]]


::Curt, in case you missed it (working hard on other things) I've responded to your latest comments at the above page. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 03:06, 13 December 2006 (PST)
{{Working in public}}


== Worldchanging ==
== email ==


We have already received 8 hits from your recent [http://www.worldchanging.com/archives/005537.html Worldchanging.com] comment.  Nice work. Not to mention the fantastic work on porting. --[[User:Lonny|Lonny]] 22:26, 10 December 2006 (PST)
Curt,


== Spelling/Grammar Notification ==


Curt, is there a proces to remove/notify someone for removal when an artical that was in the Help, spelling & Grammar section has been updated.  I looked and do not find one.  Though it may be early in the site's history I can see that list forever growing if there isn't a way of removing articles from it.  Also a little frustrating eventually if someone wants to help and they find many of the articles already done.  I'd also suggest a way of putting a flag on the file if someone takes on the gramatical editing so someone else doesn't end up duplicating the effort.--[[User:Vacuum1313|Vacuum1313]] 09:23, 12 December 2006 (PST)
I just sent you a bunch of huge files to help fund appropedia - please let me know if you got them. Thanks --[[User:J.M.Pearce|Joshua]] 09:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)


Got it. Just performed on the "Bathroom Toilet Unit". Hadn't seen that little sucker but also hadn't edited the title section which is where it was. Still some editing comments however the spelling/grammar was done. Hope that's OK.--Vacuum1313 15:32, 12 December 2006 (PST)
== license announcement - a better way ==
:Absolutely okay.  Make sure you leave some good comments when you do your save.  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 17:51, 12 December 2006 (PST)


== Sparsely populated parent categories & empty sub-categories ==
Hi Curt,


Curt, I like the newly revised table of topics at [[:Category:Topics]].  I noticed many of the sub-topics are empty right now.  At least one project I was part of, the [[Backpack frame bike trailer]] would go under [[:Category:Cycling]].  Currently, the project is categorized under the parent [[:Category:Transportation]].  In order to begin fleshing out these proposed categories, should I categorize the bike trailer project under [[:Category:Bicycle]]?  Then, would you suggest I remove it from [[:Category:Transportation]]?  My fear is that [[:Category:Transportation]] is already an underpopulated category.
I had a think about the license announcement a few hours ago. Since we're not inviting comment (at least, not in a way that could conceivably affect anything), it makes more sense to do this as part of a newsletter, probably highlighting the Ekopedia partnership like you said.


This has been a lot of thinking out loud — now that I have written this, I am convinced that the best thing to do will be to recategorize the trailer under [[:Category:Bicycle]] and remove the old categorization, but still, what's your recommendation?  By the way, I am interested in becoming a topic moderator for the transportation category. --[[User:Aaron|Aaron]] 11:29, 17 December 2006 (PST)
This became clear when I was sitting here tired earlier this evening, and to do the letter at that stage would have meant going into town again. :-). But I do think this way makes better use of the limited access we have to people's attention.  


:Hi Aaron, thanks for the feedback on the [[:Category:Topics]]! 
I figured I'd borrow this computer and let you know, so you wouldn't be wondering in the morning about what happened to the announcement. --[[User:Chriswaterguy]] 05:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)
:As a side note, I notice a fairly consistent typo (maybe a cut/paste thing?) where "Category" is coming out "Categoty", and so most of the links above are broken.  Just something to be aware of.
:I think you're on the right track for categorization.  I would move the article from [[:Category:Transportation]] to [[:Category:Cycling]].  I just set up [[:Category:Cycling]] as a stub (very easy) so that people that look in [[:Category:Topics]] will be aware that there is something to see in that category.  It would be great if you could add more to Bicycling over time.
:Lonny "moderates" appointment of the topic moderators; I would expect him to be very interested in your offer.  I'll drop a note about it on his talk page. --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 14:22, 17 December 2006 (PST)


== Transclusion ==
==Changes to the Highlighted Project template==
Hi Curt,
 
All apologies, I did not realize I dropped anything. I will definitely make sure to keep the template as is.
 
Cheers,
--[[User:Steven M.|Steven M.]] 18:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)


FYI - if we use transclusion method for protecting the text of original documents, then there's a neater way than using the "Template:" space. Any page can be transcluded. For example, edit this section/page, add the text <nowiki>{{Parras Water}}</nowiki> and click preview - the whole article is transcluded.
== Curt's experiments with templates that automatically insert signatures==
Below occurred after doing <nowiki> {{subst:User:curtbeckmann/squiggletemplate}}</nowiki>
[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 00:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)


Even the text of a category page can be transcluded. I created Category:Water/test, with just a sentence, which I'll transclude here:
Below occurred after doing <nowiki> {{User:curtbeckmann/squigglecallertemplate}}</nowiki>
{{Category:Water/test}}
{{User:curtbeckmann/squigglecallertemplate}}


I assume the software searches in the template space, then failing that it looks for the page with that name and no "Template:" prefix.
Doing another edit to see if that monkeys things up (bet it does).


The upshot is that I think it would be better to put the protected text in a page with the same name plus a suffix (e.g. "/protected"). What do you think? --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 04:34, 5 January 2007 (PST)
== Open Access Content ==
:I learned about the transclusion of non-templates when I was about halfway thru templatizing things. I think the "/protected" approach could work fine.  My biggest concern is where the search engines send people.  I also like grouping all originals together, which works slightly better with namespaces, in my opinion, but a Category also works quite well (as long as we have <nowiki><noinclude></nowiki> around the Categorization).
:So, to reiterate, my biggest concern is ranking of originals versus derived material.  I think rearranging our current approach (30+ pages) won't take too long, whatever the new approach is... And we'll need to document the policy etc, but I'll have to defer to our search engine expert (Lonny) for which approach (if any) works best in that regard.  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 07:59, 5 January 2007 (PST)
::I think this approach is compatible with the namespace solution; I don't think the templates should get significant google hits. For one thing, they'd be on the same site, so I imagine they'd be indented under the main linked page, if they show up; or possibly show up only through the "more results from this site" link. The Appropedia search engine might be trickier - hadn't thought of that.


::We will (I say boldly) have a notice template at the top of the /protected page, through the use of code like "<tt><nowiki><noinclude>{{transcluded}}</nowiki></tt>", where {{tl|transcluded}} (or whatever) is a notice that this page is just for transclusion.
Hi Curt


::Another thought has just occurred to me - if someone wants to copy material (including wiki markup) from an original document, transclusion could make it confusing. That's almost enough to put me off the transclusion approach. (We could add an edit button as part of the template at the top of the original page, but it's all getting confusing by that point.)
I'm doing pages for the organizations whose content we are mirroring here trying to add notes on the license conditions etc.  


::Following from that last thought, here's a possible alternative approach: don't use transclusion, but simply protect all original documents. At the same time, implement a liberal policy of appointing admins (which I favor anyway). Basically anyone we believe to be responsible and basically wiki-aware, who's been active for at least a few weeks, could go on probation as an admin. That way we quickly have a sizable number of admins to look after original docs, and who can quickly respond to any suggestions for changes to protected pages that are made by non-admins. Before doing that, though, it might be worth finding out why Wikipedia took a less liberal path, even though I think Jimbo expressed a preference for a liberal policy, in the early days. Hope i haven't done too many run-on sentences... just a quick response before I pull myself out of the vortex and make a dent in the boring stuff like tax that I should have done weeks ago...
Do you have any info on the permissions we got from VITA and BOSTID and others to post their stuff? I can't find anything about these. I want to reuse some of the [[Rural Electrification Systems]] content (by VITA) but I can't see if I have permission to do so.[[User:Joe Raftery|Joe Raftery]] 15:43, 20 December 2009 (UTC)


::Btw, I know I haven't answered your comment on my Wikipedia talk page - I think it's a great idea to get in touch with editors there. Perhaps after we've got the WikiGreen thing done, so we've got more to impress people with. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 21:57, 5 January 2007 (PST)
:I've been thinking about this - thanks, Joe, for taking action! I'm not sure if we got clear permission to use some of these with our license. (People say "sure, use our stuff" but CC-BY-SA is sometimes more than they had in mind.) So do we need to contact them again? When we clarify, I think pages of the form [[Beyond dams/license]] etc would be a good place to sum up any permissions we get via email (i.e. where we can't link directly to a web site).


== Solar hot water ==
:If we don't get permission, we can always mark them {{tl|open access}}.


Not sure if you moved [[:Category:Solar hot water]] to [[:Category:Solar thermal hotwater]], but I still favor the first - more succinct. Plus thermal seems unnecessarily specific - it's generally superfluous, but even if there were a system heating water via photovoltaics (very inefficient) then it could go in the same category. Also, hot water should be 2 words.
:Hasta 2010! --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] 16:56, 23 December 2009 (UTC)


Wanted to check with you first, cat moves being more awkward than normal page moves. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 18:12, 7 January 2007 (PST)
::rather than a separate page for the license I think we should have a category page or an organisation page for each organisation whose content we use and that should have detail of the license (who gave, when, what web page we found it on) and also detailed attribution information (official name, current name, postal address, web site, URL for freedownloads web page). I would be against this being on a page which is separate from the organisation - especially if the permission only applies to certain works. Lets make the organisation page the standard place to go to find out about licensing. [[User:Joe Raftery|Joe Raftery]] 21:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)


== Discussion tracker ==
:::I like a combination of these. If the organization page is not too big (most are not) and what they have licensed is easily described (typical) then we do it just as you (Joe) have described. If there is more to it, then we can make the licensing a subpage (and we can use more than one in some exceptional cases) of the organization, and link to it on the organization page. We should also have a spot or category where we keep a list of pages that we need to document the licensing of. Question: When we get license from web pages or email, should we capture an image or perhaps just the text of that, and upload as an attachment? Web pages and emails are not permanent things... [[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 16:19, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


As Lonny mentioned recently, it can be hard to keep track of what's happening on the community discussion pages, with there being such a number of pages, so I had a first go at a {{tl|Discussion tracker}}:
::::That makes sense. For licenses taken from the web I would say we copy the exact language of the license from the web page and also record not just the url but the date it was downloaded and what it applies to (what was on that page). I'm sorry if I seem to be running round the site lately being the hall monitor asking if you guys who have been here much longer than me have been doing your paperwork. I just feel it will be easier to sort now before the copied content gets inextricably mixed. See my post at the [[Appropedia_talk:Village_pump#Imported_pages]] about a template to mark pages with missing license info.  [[User:Joe Raftery|Joe Raftery]] 17:05, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


{{Discussion tracker}}
:::::I'd also suggest that when there is any detail in the permission statement that isn't of interest to the average user, that be kept on a separate page (e.g. Fred confirmed to Mary via email that "yada yada..".)


<br>Hope you find it helpful. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 19:33, 11 January 2007 (PST)
:::::We've actually been looking for a hall monitor, so your work is appreciated. Seriously, I've sometimes felt like that myself, and am very glad to have someone else taking an active interest in cleaning up our permissions. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] 16:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)


== Category naming ==
==Natural dying of textiles==
Hey Curt,
I just finished a rough article at [[Appropriate textile production manual]]. Aligning some already present articles to the pages list, I noticed that [[Natural dying of textiles]] (renamed from DYETEXT) isn't well ported (by your Curtbbot). Perhaps someone can update the page ?


Finally avoided other distractions for a short time and had a look at [[User talk:Curtbeckmann/Category naming]]. I think it's very good, and would strongly support this being our working policy on category naming. I've also made some renaming suggestions, under yours on that page. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 13:24, 12 January 2007 (PST)
Thanks,
[[User:KVDP|KVDP]] 13:19, 28 December 2009 (UTC)


== Redlinks ==
== Travel Intern Steward ==


Hi Curt,
Hi Curt,


Saw your recent comments, and just wanted to let you know that we are still working on the interwiki map today. --[[User:Lonny|Lonny]] 20:39, 15 January 2007 (PST)
I wanted to ask if the 3-month volunteer position for the Travel Intern Steward is still open? If so, I am hoping you can point me in the right direction to apply. I am really interested in helping out and contributing more of my time to Appropedia.  
:Thanks, Lonny.  I figured as much...but was concerned about the high profile links begin red.  Fixed a few that were easy to find, then it got inefficient real fast...  Thanks for the heads up.  --[[User:Curtbeckmann|CurtB]] 20:55, 15 January 2007 (PST)
 
Thanks,
[[User:Ayonshahed|Ayon]]
 
== Language fluency boxes ==
 
See [[User talk:Chriswaterguy#Language fluency box templates for user pages]] - thanks --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] 02:40, 1 April 2011 (UTC)


== Topic table ==
== AbuseFilter shutdown method - just in case ==


Should I leave comments directly on [[User:Curtbeckmann/Topic table]] (seeing as it's a work in progress)? Or perhaps we could chat about it. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 21:20, 29 January 2007 (PST)
Hi Curt,  


== Welcome ==
I want to make sure that admins know how to shut down a problematic AbuseFilter, in case someone contacts you:


Welcome, Steve! Glad to have you on board! --CurtB 20:05, 30 January 2007 (PST)
All activity by the AbuseFilter is logged at [[Special:AbuseLog]]. That will show (for example) that User:JohnDoe triggered filter 3, and you can view the attempted edit. An admin can also click through to the filter and change the settings so it doesn't "Block". It can be left on "Log," though, so we can analyze what's going wrong.


Retrieved from "http://www.appropedia.org/User_talk:PlantPhotos"
Hopefully that won't be needed though. Thanks! --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] 20:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)


Thanks for the welcome. I am checking this wiki frequently, and love the whole idea. I grew up on a Vermont farm, mostly subsistence, grew most of our own food, and went shopping about once every 6 weeks. This was in the 1970's or so.  I was born in 1957. I see this returning, as energy, and environmental concerns again become of utmost importance. I have been living the appropriate technology lifestyle for 50 years, so hopefully can contribute some useful information to those younger people who are thinking about it now.
== Your 2021 impact stats are right here! ==
--[[User:PlantPhotos|Steve Gallagher]] 15:08, 4 February 2007 (PST)


== moving cats ==
<div class="stats2021">
[[File:Let's recap.png|thumb|400px]]


A partial solution to loss of history when moving categories. See [[Help:Moving a page#Moving a category]]. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small> 01:17, 14 February 2007 (PST)
Hi Curt! We thought you may want know that your top performing pages so far are:


:Thanks, Curt and robotic minion. The author thing didn't quite work (dates instead of author names) but all up, good effort. And we now have a more settled naming system, which makes me happier about posting and sending links, nowing they'll stay valid. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small>
# [[Solar-charged lawnmower]] (118 977 page views) {{Edit|Update!|Solar-charged lawnmower}}
# [[How to make and use a sawdust toilet]] (49 158 page views) {{Edit|Update!|How to make and use a sawdust toilet}}
# [[Hydraulic ram pumps]] (44 698 page views) {{Edit|Update!|Hydraulic ram pumps}}
# [[Water diversion]] (36 563 page views) {{Edit|Update!|Water diversion}}
# [[Irrigation methods]] (20 881 page views) {{Edit|Update!|Irrigation methods}}


== Rename from Transportation to Transport? ==
Overall, your impact has been of '''503,546''' page views, woozaa!


Please see [[Category_talk:Transportation#Can we rename from Transportation to Transport?]] - thanks. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Chriswaterguy|talk]]</small> 04:56, 20 February 2007 (PST)
Also, [[User:Curtbeckmann|your user page]] has received '''2539''' visits! People are interested in knowing more about you, {{Edit|edit your user page|User:Curtbeckmann}} to tell the world what you've been up to.


== Greenlivingpedia ==
Thanks for your contributions and for making Appropedia great, have a merry [[green Christmas]]!!


Curt, thanks for making contact with me on [http://www.greenlivingpedia.org/ Greenlivingpedia]. I had located Appropedia after we created Greenlivingpedia and have linked to it from our Directory. We think there is space for Greenlivingpedia to progress with a focus on sustainable housing in Australia. Let's progress with mutual collaboration and interwiki links for now, and consider merging down the track. Regards, [[User:Peter Campbell|Peter Campbell]] 21:51, 5 March 2007 (PST)
[[Appropedia:About|The Appropedia Team]]
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Fatima's Internship[edit source]

Hi Curt. Thank you for that message. I have spent the last one hour going throught the Wikitutorial like you said and am just trying to remember how and what all I did on Appropedia last semester before I begin to port ( I think it has all come back to me!!). Though I am not sure how to use user-talk; I hope I have'nt completely messed up your page.

I am glad to be working with you! And I have uploaded a picture of myself. It is always good to associate a face with a name!--Fatima 13:56, 23 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Refreshed todo (not prioritized)[edit source]

  • Link to forums
  • Cards
  • Main page
    • How to support Ap
    • Highlighted contributor, organization, portal, initiative

More

  • Grantwriting
    • Big picture, Scope / scale, Metrics (how to measure success)
    • Phasing / Staging
    • Who to apply to?
    • Who approves grant requests / proposals prior to submission?
      • Internal grant review board?
  • Portals, Logo
  • NS coloring, RSS, Interns
  • Porting / conversion tools
  • Original namespace management

My useful links[edit source]

Add to "Requested content" to "not found" search text See MediaWiki:noarticletext See Special:Allmessages See MediaWiki:noexactmatch

Possible initiatives[edit source]

  • Recruiting interns
  • Posting online volunteering positions
    • Porting talent
    • Searching for material and getting republication permission
    • Fact checkers
    • Editors
    • Experts
  • Identifying specific topic areas for expansion, i.e. focus initiatives
  • Re-invest in porting efforts
  • scripting / bots to automate text-to-wiki imports (perhaps for CD3WD)
  • Activity to increase the internal article-to-article links
  • More clarity around the portals idea: Topics portals, Org portals, etc.
  • More clarity around org partnership details
    • Expansion of org pages to support an Org portal?
  • Aggressively pursuing the Peace Corps Volunteer project ideas
  • Working on Wanted pages and Wanted categories
  • Working on dead external links (with bot support)

My "Appropedia To Do List"[edit source]

  1. Continue driving for incorporation and non-profit status
  2. Invest in understanding pywikimedia or similar bots, MWiki-Browser
  3. Development of NGO partnership concepts
  4. Topic and Area categorization work
  5. Push development of Mission statement!
    • Mission statement highlighted on Community portal, Village pump and About Appropedia.
  6. Policy page work
    • delete, content (political activity), naming
    • encyclopedic (exists), request copyright permission
    • categorization policy (started this with Appropedia:Categorization?)
    • More work on porting / original content policy details: Portals?
  7. Promotion and advertising of Appropedia
    • Creation of links within Wikipedia pages
    • Google ads, Green Options ads, others?
  8. Porting
    • Need to revise and document the "Original content policy"
    • Practical Action technical briefs
    • cd3wd! Ask Eric?
    • biosandfilter guidelines
    • Expand on the "How to port" page to give suggestions about porting, conventions?
      • how to organize a porting effort (single page vs multiple pages, etc)
      • how to create a new "XXXXpage" template?
      • how to port from web, from Word docs, etc.
        • port the text first, without photos, and without worrying about formatting
        • do some formatting
        • port the photos last
      • should we keep some info on the talk page about the status of the port?
  9. Organizing various pages that are somewhat hidden under Village Pump, etc.
    • Add to About page?
    • Add page about various template resources and other useful tools?
      • "Porting Helpers" box (like the photovoltaic box)
      • Add a link (like Helge's) to add a question on prominent pages like Village Pump
  10. Development of a "LDC Development Framework" involving all various players (see User_talk:Curtbeckmann/Framework)
  11. Development of "Host_village" category
    • Related development of "Host Village Questionnaire" to aid in developing pages
  12. Non-NPOV approaches
    • Encouraging "opinion pages" within the namespace of users and orgs?
    • Create a category and highlight "opinion of the week" or whatever? I'm willing to go slow on this. "Rhetoric" or "Commentary" are interesting, not mudslinging...
  13. Work on getting logo-based "Appropedia buttons" for blog pages, etc
  14. Engage with EWB-SFP colleagues and see if their wiki and see if there is appropriate content for Appropedia

Archived topics[edit source]

Several old topics have been moved to User talk:Curtbeckmann/Archive

  • Interwiki
  • Blogging
  • Adminship
  • Archiving
  • What Extension
  • Recent Ports
  • Porting, historical link templates, “Beyond Dams” stuff
  • Content duplicated - one of them needs deleting?
  • Hello Curt
  • Thanks for the Tome
  • Titles of original documents
  • Worldchanging
  • Spelling/Grammar Notification
  • Sparsely populated parent categories & empty sub-categories

Transclusion[edit source]

FYI - if we use transclusion method for protecting the text of original documents, then there's a neater way than using the "Template:" space. Any page can be transcluded. For example, edit this section/page, add the text {{Parras Water}} and click preview - the whole article is transcluded.

Even the text of a category page can be transcluded. I created Category:Water/test, with just a sentence, which I'll transclude here:

Testing transclusion text.

I assume the software searches in the template space, then failing that it looks for the page with that name and no "Template:" prefix.

The upshot is that I think it would be better to put the protected text in a page with the same name plus a suffix (e.g. "/protected"). What do you think? --Singkong2005 · talk 04:34, 5 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I learned about the transclusion of non-templates when I was about halfway thru templatizing things. I think the "/protected" approach could work fine. My biggest concern is where the search engines send people. I also like grouping all originals together, which works slightly better with namespaces, in my opinion, but a Category also works quite well (as long as we have <noinclude> around the Categorization).
So, to reiterate, my biggest concern is ranking of originals versus derived material. I think rearranging our current approach (30+ pages) won't take too long, whatever the new approach is... And we'll need to document the policy etc, but I'll have to defer to our search engine expert (Lonny) for which approach (if any) works best in that regard. --CurtB 07:59, 5 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I think this approach is compatible with the namespace solution; I don't think the templates should get significant google hits. For one thing, they'd be on the same site, so I imagine they'd be indented under the main linked page, if they show up; or possibly show up only through the "more results from this site" link. The Appropedia search engine might be trickier - hadn't thought of that.
We will (I say boldly) have a notice template at the top of the /protected page, through the use of code like "<noinclude>{{transcluded}}", where {{transcluded}} (or whatever) is a notice that this page is just for transclusion.
Another thought has just occurred to me - if someone wants to copy material (including wiki markup) from an original document, transclusion could make it confusing. That's almost enough to put me off the transclusion approach. (We could add an edit button as part of the template at the top of the original page, but it's all getting confusing by that point.)
Following from that last thought, here's a possible alternative approach: don't use transclusion, but simply protect all original documents. At the same time, implement a liberal policy of appointing admins (which I favor anyway). Basically anyone we believe to be responsible and basically wiki-aware, who's been active for at least a few weeks, could go on probation as an admin. That way we quickly have a sizable number of admins to look after original docs, and who can quickly respond to any suggestions for changes to protected pages that are made by non-admins. Before doing that, though, it might be worth finding out why Wikipedia took a less liberal path, even though I think Jimbo expressed a preference for a liberal policy, in the early days. Hope i haven't done too many run-on sentences... just a quick response before I pull myself out of the vortex and make a dent in the boring stuff like tax that I should have done weeks ago...
Btw, I know I haven't answered your comment on my Wikipedia talk page - I think it's a great idea to get in touch with editors there. Perhaps after we've got the WikiGreen thing done, so we've got more to impress people with. --Singkong2005 · talk 21:57, 5 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Solar hot water[edit source]

Not sure if you moved Category:Solar hot water to Category:Solar thermal hotwater, but I still favor the first - more succinct. Plus thermal seems unnecessarily specific - it's generally superfluous, but even if there were a system heating water via photovoltaics (very inefficient) then it could go in the same category. Also, hot water should be 2 words.

Wanted to check with you first, cat moves being more awkward than normal page moves. --Singkong2005 · talk 18:12, 7 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Discussion tracker[edit source]

As Lonny mentioned recently, it can be hard to keep track of what's happening on the community discussion pages, with there being such a number of pages, so I had a first go at a {{Discussion tracker}}. {{Discussion tracker|Curtbeckmann}} gives


Hope you find it helpful. --Singkong2005 · talk 19:33, 11 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Category naming[edit source]

Finally avoided other distractions for a short time and had a look at User talk:Curtbeckmann/Category naming. I think it's very good, and would strongly support this being our working policy on category naming. I've also made some renaming suggestions, under yours on that page. --Singkong2005 · talk 13:24, 12 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Redlinks[edit source]

Hi Curt,

Saw your recent comments, and just wanted to let you know that we are still working on the interwiki map today. --Lonny 20:39, 15 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, Lonny. I figured as much...but was concerned about the high profile links begin red. Fixed a few that were easy to find, then it got inefficient real fast... Thanks for the heads up. --CurtB 20:55, 15 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Topic table[edit source]

Should I leave comments directly on User:Curtbeckmann/Topic table (seeing as it's a work in progress)? Or perhaps we could chat about it. --Singkong2005 · talk 21:20, 29 January 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Hi Curt, just came across the topic page that you modified as it was out of date . [Yes, I know it was a few months ago, but I haven't been here for a while!!].

The new page does not match the left hand nav bar and I always thought the original was a good way of finding pages quickly. Also I think the original page gave an impression that there was plenty going on in the site unlike the dry page that is there now. Maybe it would be better to keep the original for the time being? -Cgfoz 12:43, 29 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome[edit source]

Welcome, Steve! Glad to have you on board! --CurtB 20:05, 30 January 2007 (UTC)

Retrieved from "https://www.appropedia.org/User_talk:PlantPhotos"

Thanks for the welcome. I am checking this wiki frequently, and love the whole idea. I grew up on a Vermont farm, mostly subsistence, grew most of our own food, and went shopping about once every 6 weeks. This was in the 1970's or so. I was born in 1957. I see this returning, as energy, and environmental concerns again become of utmost importance. I have been living the appropriate technology lifestyle for 50 years, so hopefully can contribute some useful information to those younger people who are thinking about it now. --Steve Gallagher 15:08, 4 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

moving cats[edit source]

A partial solution to loss of history when moving categories. See Help:Moving a page#Moving a category. --Chriswaterguy · talk 01:17, 14 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Thanks, Curt and robotic minion. The author thing didn't quite work (dates instead of author names) but all up, good effort. And we now have a more settled naming system, which makes me happier about posting and sending links, nowing they'll stay valid. --Chriswaterguy · talk

Rename from Transportation to Transport?[edit source]

Please see Category_talk:Transportation#Can we rename from Transportation to Transport? - thanks. --Chriswaterguy · talk 04:56, 20 February 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Greenlivingpedia[edit source]

Curt, thanks for making contact with me on Greenlivingpedia. I had located Appropedia after we created Greenlivingpedia and have linked to it from our Directory. We think there is space for Greenlivingpedia to progress with a focus on sustainable housing in Australia. Let's progress with mutual collaboration and interwiki links for now, and consider merging down the track. Regards, Peter Campbell 21:51, 5 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your thoughts requested...[edit source]

at User_talk:Chriswaterguy#Greenlivingpedia interwiki. Thanks --Chriswaterguy · talk 16:02, 16 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

attribution in comments[edit source]

Hi Curt, to clarify what I'd suggested about attribution in comments, I redid your edits in Category:Water. Instead of leaving a note on the page to credit the author, I used the edit summary: add content by David Bartecchi of Village Earth, as part of the merger of the Village Earth wiki).

I also redid the previous move (I didn't realize that "rollback" undid every edit by the previous editor) with edit summary "arsenic" content moved to Arsenic in groundwater (just doing what Curt did, but trying different approach to edit summary for such moves). LMK if there's a prob. --Chriswaterguy · talk 16:36, 17 March 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Rethinking categories[edit source]

See User_talk:Lonny#Photovoltaics how-to? --Chriswaterguy · talk 06:08, 24 April 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Missing Images Bot Needed[edit source]

Hey Curt, got a way to tag pages with one or more missing images? I noticed a number of the CD3WD pages were lacking images. It wasn't real consistant, so I don't know if they were already missing pre-assimilation or not, but anyway, a bot to tag them with a 'Missing Images' category would be nice, that way I can just pull up the category and fix them.

Or is there another way to identify them ?

I wrote a little php script that loops through and detects them, it's not great, but it works. A bot would be better. I've got this script on a 1 sec per page throttle, so it plays nice and won't grab all the bandwidth. See Back_Yard_and_Commercial_Rabbit_Production_12 as an example of a page with missing images.

Ericblazek 06:57, 11 May 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Moving categories, an update?[edit source]

I must be behind the times in some respects. Obviously some recent version of MediaWiki has made it easy to move cats as with pages - or is there a clever way? I was definitely warned - some months ago - that it would not work, that you could add a cat redirect template but you had to change each item manually. Your note mentions "category.py". Er?? Sort me out? (But I'm off to bed very soon, so you may get no more for the next 20+ hours!) Robin Patterson 07:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

More newcomers to welcome[edit source]

Show up clearly on Recent changes - a redlinked "Talk" page. Over to your welcoming squad!! Goodnight. Robin Patterson 07:42, 31 May 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Imagemap extension for buttons[edit source]

Curt,

I have installed the Imagemap extension which supports buttons (images) linking directly to urls and interwikis rather than the image itself. I have used buttons on the front page of Greenlivingpedia if you want to check this out. It might be worth using this functionality for Appropedia too, at least on the front page. I have left a note about this for Chris too. Regards, Peter Campbell 07:11, 25 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Guys,
We use an image map extension. Currently we only use it with the highlighted project (see front page), but maybe we should start using it for buttons like on Greenlivingpedia (which looks great). Thank you so much for the update Peter. We really appreciate it. --Lonny 09:26, 25 September 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

about Help:Ayudar a los conceptos básicos[edit source]

Hello, I just saw your translation into Spanish of Help:Conceptos básicos. There are some expressions which don't sound very well. Do you mind if I check your translation? --Javier Carro 22:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Javier,
I'd love it if you chipped in and improved the page! Longer response at User talk:Javier Carro. Thanks. --CurtB 23:10, 16 November 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'm glad to hear that. Thanks a lot for the welcoming :)--Javier Carro 23:49, 16 November 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Welcome note glitch[edit source]

There's a problem with the welcome template you're using - e.g. see how this edit below the welcome note puts the text inside the box - I've noticed it elsewhere too. Lacking a </div>, it looks like... but when I went to {{welcome}} it seems to have the </div>. Are you using a different template? --Chriswaterguy · talk 23:45, 5 December 2007 (UTC)Reply[reply]


Article Count and translations[edit source]

Hi Curt -- I noticed the number of articles just got cut in about half --what happened???

Also I would like to target some languague profs at Clarion to begin spanish translation -- are we ready for commissioned assistnments -- and is there anything I should know besides what is on the Translation page??

Thanks --Joshua 13:29, 1 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Hi Guys,
Hope you don't mind, but I went ahead a butted into this conversation. Thank you, --Lonny 18:36, 1 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Well, my biggest concern is that I didn't get an email from these edits.
Second comment is that I believe that our article count was quite inflated as the result of something during the integration of a bunch of content months ago. But I would have estimated our article count in the 2000 article range, maybe 2500, not 1400, so something's not right now, as Lonny says. <sigh>
Third is, I think Lonny covered the bases on Spanish. I'll check back again in a while on Spanish, but I'm currently sucked into some other topics... Durnit. --CurtB 22:05, 2 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]
Perhaps you didn't get an email because you'd previously been notified of an edit to that page, but hadn't actually viewed the page since? (This is an issue for me on many pages.) --Chriswaterguy · talk 14:38, 9 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Displaying a search box in a wiki page[edit source]

This is supposed to display a search box (for the APDS):

<script src="http://gmodules.com/ig/ifr?url=http://www.google.com/coop/api/008224879786263662799/cse/dlukhlm8-0m/gadget&synd=open&w=320&h=75&title=Appropedia's+Public+Domain+Search&border=%23ffffff%7C0px%2C1px+solid+%2399BB66%7C0px%2C2px+solid+%23AACC66%7C0px%2C2px+solid+%23BBDD66&output=js"></script>

Does this mean it's impossible? It doesn't work in LJ either (with or without the "embed" option).

Next step: I'm looking at how to put the homepage of the search engine onto the Appropedia domain. --Chriswaterguy · talk 17:44, 9 January 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Community discussion template[edit source]

Template:Working in public

email[edit source]

Curt,


I just sent you a bunch of huge files to help fund appropedia - please let me know if you got them. Thanks --Joshua 09:51, 13 September 2008 (UTC)Reply[reply]

license announcement - a better way[edit source]

Hi Curt,

I had a think about the license announcement a few hours ago. Since we're not inviting comment (at least, not in a way that could conceivably affect anything), it makes more sense to do this as part of a newsletter, probably highlighting the Ekopedia partnership like you said.

This became clear when I was sitting here tired earlier this evening, and to do the letter at that stage would have meant going into town again. :-). But I do think this way makes better use of the limited access we have to people's attention.

I figured I'd borrow this computer and let you know, so you wouldn't be wondering in the morning about what happened to the announcement. --User:Chriswaterguy 05:47, 21 April 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Changes to the Highlighted Project template[edit source]

Hi Curt,

All apologies, I did not realize I dropped anything. I will definitely make sure to keep the template as is.

Cheers, --Steven M. 18:02, 1 May 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Curt's experiments with templates that automatically insert signatures[edit source]

Below occurred after doing {{subst:User:curtbeckmann/squiggletemplate}} CurtB 00:07, 13 September 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Below occurred after doing {{User:curtbeckmann/squigglecallertemplate}} Here is a bunch of text that is within the template. For example, this template could mention that this page is part of a translation that is underway. And we want to automatically capture the signature of the user, and the timestamp. That requires a subst, but we don't want the subt to happen within this template. Hmm. Trying to surround the subst with includeonly: {{subst:User:curtbeckmann/squiggletemplate}} Okay, this is after the include only.

What the heck, also try putting 4 ~'s within "include only". CurtB 00:13, 13 September 2009 (UTC) Done. See if that works.Reply[reply]

Doing another edit to see if that monkeys things up (bet it does).

Open Access Content[edit source]

Hi Curt

I'm doing pages for the organizations whose content we are mirroring here trying to add notes on the license conditions etc.

Do you have any info on the permissions we got from VITA and BOSTID and others to post their stuff? I can't find anything about these. I want to reuse some of the Rural Electrification Systems content (by VITA) but I can't see if I have permission to do so.Joe Raftery 15:43, 20 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

I've been thinking about this - thanks, Joe, for taking action! I'm not sure if we got clear permission to use some of these with our license. (People say "sure, use our stuff" but CC-BY-SA is sometimes more than they had in mind.) So do we need to contact them again? When we clarify, I think pages of the form Beyond dams/license etc would be a good place to sum up any permissions we get via email (i.e. where we can't link directly to a web site).
If we don't get permission, we can always mark them {{open access}}.
Hasta 2010! --Chriswaterguy 16:56, 23 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
rather than a separate page for the license I think we should have a category page or an organisation page for each organisation whose content we use and that should have detail of the license (who gave, when, what web page we found it on) and also detailed attribution information (official name, current name, postal address, web site, URL for freedownloads web page). I would be against this being on a page which is separate from the organisation - especially if the permission only applies to certain works. Lets make the organisation page the standard place to go to find out about licensing. Joe Raftery 21:25, 25 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I like a combination of these. If the organization page is not too big (most are not) and what they have licensed is easily described (typical) then we do it just as you (Joe) have described. If there is more to it, then we can make the licensing a subpage (and we can use more than one in some exceptional cases) of the organization, and link to it on the organization page. We should also have a spot or category where we keep a list of pages that we need to document the licensing of. Question: When we get license from web pages or email, should we capture an image or perhaps just the text of that, and upload as an attachment? Web pages and emails are not permanent things... CurtB 16:19, 28 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
That makes sense. For licenses taken from the web I would say we copy the exact language of the license from the web page and also record not just the url but the date it was downloaded and what it applies to (what was on that page). I'm sorry if I seem to be running round the site lately being the hall monitor asking if you guys who have been here much longer than me have been doing your paperwork. I just feel it will be easier to sort now before the copied content gets inextricably mixed. See my post at the Appropedia_talk:Village_pump#Imported_pages about a template to mark pages with missing license info. Joe Raftery 17:05, 28 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]
I'd also suggest that when there is any detail in the permission statement that isn't of interest to the average user, that be kept on a separate page (e.g. Fred confirmed to Mary via email that "yada yada..".)
We've actually been looking for a hall monitor, so your work is appreciated. Seriously, I've sometimes felt like that myself, and am very glad to have someone else taking an active interest in cleaning up our permissions. --Chriswaterguy 16:52, 11 January 2010 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Natural dying of textiles[edit source]

Hey Curt, I just finished a rough article at Appropriate textile production manual. Aligning some already present articles to the pages list, I noticed that Natural dying of textiles (renamed from DYETEXT) isn't well ported (by your Curtbbot). Perhaps someone can update the page ?

Thanks, KVDP 13:19, 28 December 2009 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Travel Intern Steward[edit source]

Hi Curt,

I wanted to ask if the 3-month volunteer position for the Travel Intern Steward is still open? If so, I am hoping you can point me in the right direction to apply. I am really interested in helping out and contributing more of my time to Appropedia.

Thanks, Ayon

Language fluency boxes[edit source]

See User talk:Chriswaterguy#Language fluency box templates for user pages - thanks --Chriswaterguy 02:40, 1 April 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

AbuseFilter shutdown method - just in case[edit source]

Hi Curt,

I want to make sure that admins know how to shut down a problematic AbuseFilter, in case someone contacts you:

All activity by the AbuseFilter is logged at Special:AbuseLog. That will show (for example) that User:JohnDoe triggered filter 3, and you can view the attempted edit. An admin can also click through to the filter and change the settings so it doesn't "Block". It can be left on "Log," though, so we can analyze what's going wrong.

Hopefully that won't be needed though. Thanks! --Chriswaterguy 20:35, 22 December 2011 (UTC)Reply[reply]

Your 2021 impact stats are right here![edit source]

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Hi Curt! We thought you may want know that your top performing pages so far are:

  1. Solar-charged lawnmower (118 977 page views) Update!
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  3. Hydraulic ram pumps (44 698 page views) Update!
  4. Water diversion (36 563 page views) Update!
  5. Irrigation methods (20 881 page views) Update!

Overall, your impact has been of 503,546 page views, woozaa!

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Thanks for your contributions and for making Appropedia great, have a merry green Christmas!!

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