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  1. Need to check with Nell about uploading a course outline
  2. Need to establish a list of volunteers that are ready to act as partners
  3. Need to create some targeted "how to" content
    1. How to register and create a user page(useful for anyone... does Lonny have this already)
    2. How to help your students choose articles?
      1. Appropedia should begin a wishlist of articles that readers would like to have translated
    3. Begin the "technical phrase dictionary"


Du nouveau - Écoles et Traduxio[edit]

This is a French copy of what I posted few weeks ago on Ekopedia. I will add a sumarize below


Bon il faudrait mettre cette page à jour considérant les avancements avec Appropedia. Et aussi le fait que je voudrait faciliter l'apport-l'aide des écoles de langues qui demandent de toute manière à leurs élèves de traduire des textes... Alors pourquoi pas les nôtres... Cela sera plus valorisant pour les étudiants.

Le petit nouveau aussi c'est Traduxio... Je mets ici en copie notre récente discussion.

http://traduxio.hypertopic.org

From: Olivier Chaput <olivier...ospilots.nl>

   Subject: "Ach, why not"
  
   Funny, the subject was added randomly... But yeah... Why not... Is actually the question.
   My name is Olivier Chaput and I came across your project thanks to Philippe Lacour.
   I am one the admin of Ekopedia.org and member of Appropedia.org.
   These two evolving encyclopedia could, I believe benefit from your work.
   So I am here just poking to get some attention and maybe initiate a collaboration.
   In any case I wish you the best. Good luck with your project cause it is a great one.

Leur réponse

bonjour

J'ai rencontré Olivier au Hub de Bruxelles hier : cet espace de butinage social dont je vous ai parlé.

Ses projets me paraissent interessants et il me semble que Traduxio pourrait envisager une collaboration avec ekopedia ou appropedia. Il ne s'agit pas de contenu culturel ou académique (point de départ de notre réflexion), mais c'est une excellente occasion de dépasser les limites initiales de Traduxio pour répondre aux besoins de la communauté des ONG (et affiliés, disons du tiers secteur).

Olivier, comme je te l'ai dit, notre projet en est au stade de sortie du protoype: nous avons donc besoins de testeurs, et ne pouvons pour l'instant prétendre fournir un service parfait (ni même presque parfait), de l'ordre du clé en main. Des initiatives comme les votres sont sûrement déjà très exigeantes, en terme de temps, et il faut que ce point soit clair: essayer Traduxio en ce moment sera plus pour vous un facteur de ralentissement que de gain de productivité, dans la production de contenu multilingue. Notre but est toutefois de vous faire gagner du temps, à moyen terme, disons à partir de l'automne prochain. Si nous nous engageons pour collaborer, il faut que nous soyons conscients de ces contraintes.

Voici pour le cadre. Il me semble que si nous en convenons, nous pouvons passer à la question des principes généraux: les objectifs respectifs sur lesquels nous pouvons trouver une intersection (pour nous: tester l'outil "en situation réelle"; pour vous?). Ensuite viendrait la phase d'ajustement des modalités: là commence l'aventure proprement dite, mais j'ai pleine confiance que nous puissions surmonter les difficultés qui ne manqueront pas de survenir.

Bien cordialement philippe

Les suites[edit]

Mettre les Appropediens sur le coup et aussi avoir qq volontaires pour encadrer l'expérience... Je pense que cela pourrait être pas mal sympa. Votre avis?


Traduxio[edit]

http://traduxio.hypertopic.org/index/about Traduxio in a nutshell :

   * free
   * open source
   * web based
   * collaborative
   * focus on cultural (non commercial, non repetitive) texts.
   * developed with innovative technology (new Translation Memory device)

Traduxio is acomputer assisted tool and a online workbench intended to promote translation through and on the Web.

Designed by the non-profit organization Zanchin, and developed with the technical support of the Tech-Cico laboratory of the University of Technology of Troyes (France), Traduxio employs the most innovative solutions to foster cultural exchange and the preservation of the world’s linguistic diversity.

This new collaborative software, directly inspired by Web 2.0 spirit, has the vocation to become a major asset for current efforts to foster cultural exchange and the preservation of the world’s linguistic diversity.

In the long run, the tool should also encourage the diversification of language learning and a reappraisal of translation activities, especially in the field of research-making.

Its potential has already been recognized and Traduxio is being currently supported by the Unesco and the Organisation Internationale de la Francophonie.

To understand how Traduxio actually works and what it can do, check the tutorial. Traduxio, applying original solutions to translation

   * Whereas traditional Translation Memory device are limited to two languages (source/target), Traduxio enables the comparison of different
versions of the same text. A translated text is actually not considered an independent segment, but a version of the initial text in another language.
   * Traduxio offers a better management of the translation context, thanks to a contextualized classification of the source (i.e. classification of
the text according to the history, genre, author, etc.).

Traduxio to whom ?

As a mechanism of general interest, grounded on a logic of collaboration and mutualization (gradual feeding of the database), Traduxio is easy to use and available to a very broad audience:

   * It can be used by translators, researchers, teachers, students, and all those who use language and need translation for broadening the impact of
their work and activities.
   * Likewise, NGOs, international organizations, research institutions, think tanks, schools, stage performers reviewing translations for a theatre
play, and all those who may come across a need for translation are Traduxio’s potential users.

Translating with Traduxio: Legal and Practical aspects

   * Traduxio as a workbench

Traduxio is not designed to perform any publishing or editorial functions, but rather to work as a digital workbench and network connecting users/translators worldwide. Translations carried out using Traduxio are thus not intended to be published or printed by the web-service itself – although authors may personally chose to do so.

   * Traduxio as a “commons”

All content provided by users are integrated to the Translation Memory, which is the foundation and the real differential of the tool. Following the logic of mutualization on which it is based, Traduxio’s ultimate goal is to become a “commons” (like Creative Commons or Wikimedia Commons) on a non-profit basis.

   * Protecting translators’ work while promoting the ‘common good’

The non-commercial and ‘communitarian’ dimension of the tool do not imply that the resulting translations will belong to the public domain. On the contrary, each translator will be given the possibility to tag its creation with a legal license of his choice (e.g. Creative Commons license). The range of rights’ attribution goes from the public domain to full copyright (in which case, a ‘fair use device’ shall be used for quotations from the database). Users will be however encouraged to choose at least an attribution license.

Attribution of authority over translations is indeed important since the re-utilization of “memory matching” depends on the identification of the author of a given semantic creation. Frequent users could thus benefit from a form of public and non-financial recognition (a system of “points”), which eventually might turn into a sort of professional reputation.