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== PV Magazine should be unblocked ==
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PV Magazine dot com is currently blocked by spam filters this should not be for Appropedia and for Wikipedia. [[User:J.M.Pearce|Joshua Pearce]] ([[User talk:J.M.Pearce|talk]]) 13:57, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
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[[User:J.M.Pearce|Joshua Pearce]] ([[User talk:J.M.Pearce|talk]]) 14:57, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
: Hi Joshua, PV Magazine dot com is not a working website. Are you referring to https://pv-magazine-usa.com/ maybe? Thanks, --[[User:Lonny|Lonny]] ([[User talk:Lonny|talk]]) 23:01, 30 May 2020 (UTC)
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:: Yes sorry www.pv-magazine dot com --[[User:J.M.Pearce|Joshua Pearce]] ([[User talk:J.M.Pearce|talk]]) 00:50, 31 May 2020 (UTC)
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:I'm trying to find out which one by going to the list and checking the links, but they all look reachable. I'll try to find out more. --[[User:Emilio|Emilio]] ([[User talk:Emilio|talk]]) 15:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
::: Still blocked! [[User:J.M.Pearce|Joshua Pearce]] ([[User talk:J.M.Pearce|talk]]) 18:46, 9 November 2020 (UTC)
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::::{{Re|J.M.Pearce}} Should be [[Special:Diff/443552|fixed]] now. Please confirm when you have the chance, thanks! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 23:28, 4 December 2020 (UTC)
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==2020 Appropedia website redesign==
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We're in the process of a website redesign! Let us know your thoughts! Early days, still plenty to come, see [[Appropedia:User experience/New skin]]
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:Hi! really enjoying using the wiki with it's new design. Thanks to those making this happen. Excited to be progressing many developments to [[Community action for sustainability|Community action]] pages. Do please keep us up to date with any further design changes, eg colours, any more radical changes to layout, etc. [[User:Philralph|Philralph]] ([[User talk:Philralph|talk]]) 11:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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==Following up on references display==
  
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I want to bring back up [[Appropedia:Village pump/Archive6#Bad display of references|this issue]] brought up by [[User:Shapoklyak]] a while ago. We'll begin updating some of our templates to allow for better referencing, having DOI links for some articles and other new capabilities. Perhaps we can discuss this further, since [[User:Sophivorus]] is currently working on improving specific parts of Appropedia and this might be a useful project. --[[User:Emilio|Emilio]] ([[User talk:Emilio|talk]]) 16:27, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
  
[[User:J.M.Pearce|Joshua Pearce]] ([[User talk:J.M.Pearce|talk]]) 14:57, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
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:For the specific issue that I brought up, the most robust solution would probably be to adopt Wikipedia's templates. However, this would imply changing existing Appropedia pages. It is probably easy to change "accessdate" into "access-date", a bit less easy to detect when "work" should become "website". [[User:Shapoklyak|Shapoklyak]] ([[User talk:Shapoklyak|talk]]) 19:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
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::{{Re|Shapoklyak|Emilio}} I usually suggest developing local versions of templates, because Wikipedia templates are generally way more complicated than smaller wikis require. However, in this case, given that Appropedia is fairly academic and favors good referencing, and considering how awfully complicated good referencing is, I agree that updating the local templates from the Wikipedia versions would be the most robust (and maintainable) solution. Also, their development has been mostly backwards-compatible, so I don't expect many references to break here after an update. [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 19:58, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
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:::{{Re|Shapoklyak|Sophivorus}} In that case, I'll add to [[Appropedia:Site development]] as part of our wishlist for implementation (including DOI for academic pages). I think it will be super useful given the number of citations that Appropedia gets every year. —[[User:Emilio|Emilio]] ([[User talk:Emilio|talk]])
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==Maps==
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{{Re|Emilio|Lonny|J.M.Pearce|Philralph|Irene92}} Hi all! I think you'll all be most happy to see this: '''[[Map]]''' (I know I was!) The map displays all pages that have their location set via the "location" parameter of the infoboxes. This includes projects, organizations, users, etc. I'll soon create a nice template to generate sub-maps for specific regions or types of pages, for example a map of just organizations, or just users, or just users in California, etc. Until then, I hope you'll enjoy seeing this early version and sharing your thoughts on how to best use this new potential! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 15:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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:GOODNESS GRACIOUS! This is so awesome!!! [[User:Emilio|Emilio]] ([[User talk:Emilio|talk]]) 15:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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:Amazing! Brilliant! [[User:Philralph|Philralph]] ([[User talk:Philralph|talk]]) 15:58, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
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:SERIOUSLY SOOOOO GOOD!! Now we need to set locations for more of our thousand+ projects! Emilio, do we have interns on this or some other plan? --[[User:Lonny|Lonny]] ([[User talk:Lonny|talk]]) 01:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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::For now, we only have [[User:Irene92]] who has been relentlessly adding content and will continue for the upcoming months. She's editing a bunch of projects now but we'll find the time later on to do this, hopefully. [[User:Emilio|Emilio]] ([[User talk:Emilio|talk]]) 01:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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:::Yay for [[User:Irene92]]! Maybe we can get some students to help Irene in late January. [[User:Lonny|Lonny]] ([[User talk:Lonny|talk]]) 23:19, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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:Replying to my own question, I think one potential for the map (for this specific, world-wide map, I mean) is to convey in a simple and clear way the global reach of Appropedia. [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 14:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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::I agree. It is inspiring how many projects, partners, and appropedians we have from all around the world. Visualizing it will be wonderful. [[User:Lonny|Lonny]] ([[User talk:Lonny|talk]]) 23:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
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:Hi all, I hope you had a nice xmass! Here's my present for you: [[Template:Map]] ! Check out the examples in the documentation to see what it can do, and let me know of any further requests, cheers! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 11:21, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
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::I looooooooooooooooooooooooooove this! By the way, I tested it out at [[El Salvador]] and it works well. I believe that for now it works if you do country only (I tried mapping through city, country and it doesn't show up yet --check [[Amún Shéa]]). I think this brings us to a new level of interaction! [[User:Emilio|Emilio]] ([[User talk:Emilio|talk]]) 22:11, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
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:::{{Re|Emilio}} Good catch! Your report led me to find a deeper issue with the whole map and location system which I was able to fix. The map now displays more pages and more precisely located. However, I haven't been able to fix the particular issue with [[Amún Shéa]] and the map you made. It's not because the region isn't recognized, because Amún Shéa displays properly on the world-wide map as well as when I create a world-wide map about organizations only. But when creating a map of organizations in El Salvador, or a general map of El Salvador, Amún Shéa doesn't display, weird! I'll figure it out eventually, but let me know if you notice any other issue that may give me a clue. Cheers! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 13:27, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
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::::Hi @[[User:Emilio|Emilio]], great that you've included the map in [[El Salvador]]! And thanks for the thanks! I must learn how to do that as soon as I can! Not to mention trying out a map on some other page, when I can find the time! [[User:Philralph|Philralph]] ([[User talk:Philralph|talk]]) 22:56, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
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:::::We have to add maps for every single country soon enough. We need to organize an edit-a-thon for [[Community action for sustainability]] soon! [[User:Emilio|Emilio]] ([[User talk:Emilio|talk]]) 23:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
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::This is brilliant. The [[Template:Map]] is fabulous. Thanks for creating/sharing it! [[User:Kathy Nativi|Kathy Nativi]] ([[User talk:Kathy Nativi|talk]]) 23:09, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
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:Wondering about a current project as a possible opportunity re maps. Don't know whether there'll be any interest in this from the others involved, a group convened by [[Networks UK#Citizens.27 action networks or CANs|The Alternative UK]], but am asking via our Loomio group, extract copied to [[Talk:Examples of Citizen Action Networks]], [[User:Philralph|Philralph]] ([[User talk:Philralph|talk]]) 17:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)
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==Wikipedia excerpt templates?==
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Hi all and @[[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]], I've been experimenting with [[Template:Wikipedia excerpt]] and this feels to me like a really useful thing to help us develop location and CAS pages.
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It then leads me to wondering if a couple of similar but slightly different templates might be possible?
  
: I'm trying to find out which one by going to the list and checking the links, but they all look reachable. I'll try to find out more. --[[User:Emilio|Emilio]] ([[User talk:Emilio|talk]]) 15:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)
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The first would help develop a section (subtitle) of an Appropedia page by including the intro text from a wikipedia article eg [[Newham#Education for sustainability]] could have a further subtitle 'Bow Creek Ecology Park'?
  
== 2020 Appropedia website redesign ==
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The second would help improve a section (subtitle) of an Appropedia page by including the section (subtitle) text from a wikipedia article? Thanks [[User:Philralph|Philralph]] ([[User talk:Philralph|talk]]) 12:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
  
We're in the process of a website redesign! Let us know your thoughts! Early days, still plenty to come, see [[Appropedia:User experience/New skin]]
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:@[[User:Philralph|Philralph]] Hi, I'm glad you're finding the template useful! Your first request seems quite straightforward. Is [[Special:Diff/452171|this]] what you mean? Or do you mean creating a template that automatically inserts a '''subtitle''' before the Wikipedia excerpt? If so, then I think it's actually better to manually insert the subtitle, because subtitles inserted via templates have trouble with the [edit] button and are confusing when editing via the visual editor. As to your second request, it's a bit more complicated but doable, I'll add it to my task list! [[User:Sophivorus|Sophivorus]] ([[User talk:Sophivorus|talk]]) 12:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
: Hi! really enjoying using the wiki with it's new design. Thanks to those making this happen. Excited to be progressing many developments to [[Community action for sustainability|Community action]] pages. Do please keep us up to date with any further design changes, eg colours, any more radical changes to layout, etc. [[User:Philralph|Philralph]] ([[User talk:Philralph|talk]]) 11:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)
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::Yes, [[Newham#Education for sustainability]] just perfect! Thanks. [[User:Philralph|Philralph]] ([[User talk:Philralph|talk]]) 14:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

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Joshua Pearce (talk) 14:57, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

I'm trying to find out which one by going to the list and checking the links, but they all look reachable. I'll try to find out more. --Emilio (talk) 15:37, 24 October 2020 (UTC)

2020 Appropedia website redesign[edit source]

We're in the process of a website redesign! Let us know your thoughts! Early days, still plenty to come, see Appropedia:User experience/New skin

Hi! really enjoying using the wiki with it's new design. Thanks to those making this happen. Excited to be progressing many developments to Community action pages. Do please keep us up to date with any further design changes, eg colours, any more radical changes to layout, etc. Philralph (talk) 11:03, 11 November 2020 (UTC)

Following up on references display[edit source]

I want to bring back up this issue brought up by User:Shapoklyak a while ago. We'll begin updating some of our templates to allow for better referencing, having DOI links for some articles and other new capabilities. Perhaps we can discuss this further, since User:Sophivorus is currently working on improving specific parts of Appropedia and this might be a useful project. --Emilio (talk) 16:27, 10 December 2020 (UTC)

For the specific issue that I brought up, the most robust solution would probably be to adopt Wikipedia's templates. However, this would imply changing existing Appropedia pages. It is probably easy to change "accessdate" into "access-date", a bit less easy to detect when "work" should become "website". Shapoklyak (talk) 19:25, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
@Shapoklyak, Emilio: I usually suggest developing local versions of templates, because Wikipedia templates are generally way more complicated than smaller wikis require. However, in this case, given that Appropedia is fairly academic and favors good referencing, and considering how awfully complicated good referencing is, I agree that updating the local templates from the Wikipedia versions would be the most robust (and maintainable) solution. Also, their development has been mostly backwards-compatible, so I don't expect many references to break here after an update. Sophivorus (talk) 19:58, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
@Shapoklyak, Sophivorus: In that case, I'll add to Appropedia:Site development as part of our wishlist for implementation (including DOI for academic pages). I think it will be super useful given the number of citations that Appropedia gets every year. —Emilio (talk)

Maps[edit source]

@Emilio, Lonny, J.M.Pearce, Philralph, Irene92: Hi all! I think you'll all be most happy to see this: Map (I know I was!) The map displays all pages that have their location set via the "location" parameter of the infoboxes. This includes projects, organizations, users, etc. I'll soon create a nice template to generate sub-maps for specific regions or types of pages, for example a map of just organizations, or just users, or just users in California, etc. Until then, I hope you'll enjoy seeing this early version and sharing your thoughts on how to best use this new potential! Sophivorus (talk) 15:16, 17 December 2020 (UTC)

GOODNESS GRACIOUS! This is so awesome!!! Emilio (talk) 15:32, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
Amazing! Brilliant! Philralph (talk) 15:58, 17 December 2020 (UTC)
SERIOUSLY SOOOOO GOOD!! Now we need to set locations for more of our thousand+ projects! Emilio, do we have interns on this or some other plan? --Lonny (talk) 01:14, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
For now, we only have User:Irene92 who has been relentlessly adding content and will continue for the upcoming months. She's editing a bunch of projects now but we'll find the time later on to do this, hopefully. Emilio (talk) 01:30, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Yay for User:Irene92! Maybe we can get some students to help Irene in late January. Lonny (talk) 23:19, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Replying to my own question, I think one potential for the map (for this specific, world-wide map, I mean) is to convey in a simple and clear way the global reach of Appropedia. Sophivorus (talk) 14:13, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
I agree. It is inspiring how many projects, partners, and appropedians we have from all around the world. Visualizing it will be wonderful. Lonny (talk) 23:18, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi all, I hope you had a nice xmass! Here's my present for you: Template:Map ! Check out the examples in the documentation to see what it can do, and let me know of any further requests, cheers! Sophivorus (talk) 11:21, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
I looooooooooooooooooooooooooove this! By the way, I tested it out at El Salvador and it works well. I believe that for now it works if you do country only (I tried mapping through city, country and it doesn't show up yet --check Amún Shéa). I think this brings us to a new level of interaction! Emilio (talk) 22:11, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
@Emilio: Good catch! Your report led me to find a deeper issue with the whole map and location system which I was able to fix. The map now displays more pages and more precisely located. However, I haven't been able to fix the particular issue with Amún Shéa and the map you made. It's not because the region isn't recognized, because Amún Shéa displays properly on the world-wide map as well as when I create a world-wide map about organizations only. But when creating a map of organizations in El Salvador, or a general map of El Salvador, Amún Shéa doesn't display, weird! I'll figure it out eventually, but let me know if you notice any other issue that may give me a clue. Cheers! Sophivorus (talk) 13:27, 29 December 2020 (UTC)
Hi @Emilio, great that you've included the map in El Salvador! And thanks for the thanks! I must learn how to do that as soon as I can! Not to mention trying out a map on some other page, when I can find the time! Philralph (talk) 22:56, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
We have to add maps for every single country soon enough. We need to organize an edit-a-thon for Community action for sustainability soon! Emilio (talk) 23:01, 30 December 2020 (UTC)
This is brilliant. The Template:Map is fabulous. Thanks for creating/sharing it! Kathy Nativi (talk) 23:09, 28 December 2020 (UTC)
Wondering about a current project as a possible opportunity re maps. Don't know whether there'll be any interest in this from the others involved, a group convened by The Alternative UK, but am asking via our Loomio group, extract copied to Talk:Examples of Citizen Action Networks, Philralph (talk) 17:29, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Wikipedia excerpt templates?[edit source]

Hi all and @Sophivorus, I've been experimenting with Template:Wikipedia excerpt and this feels to me like a really useful thing to help us develop location and CAS pages.

It then leads me to wondering if a couple of similar but slightly different templates might be possible?

The first would help develop a section (subtitle) of an Appropedia page by including the intro text from a wikipedia article eg Newham#Education for sustainability could have a further subtitle 'Bow Creek Ecology Park'?

The second would help improve a section (subtitle) of an Appropedia page by including the section (subtitle) text from a wikipedia article? Thanks Philralph (talk) 12:04, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@Philralph Hi, I'm glad you're finding the template useful! Your first request seems quite straightforward. Is this what you mean? Or do you mean creating a template that automatically inserts a subtitle before the Wikipedia excerpt? If so, then I think it's actually better to manually insert the subtitle, because subtitles inserted via templates have trouble with the [edit] button and are confusing when editing via the visual editor. As to your second request, it's a bit more complicated but doable, I'll add it to my task list! Sophivorus (talk) 12:28, 12 January 2021 (UTC)
Yes, Newham#Education for sustainability just perfect! Thanks. Philralph (talk) 14:07, 12 January 2021 (UTC)