User:Curtbeckmann/Topic table: Difference between revisions

↑ Moderator: Chris!
↑ Should moderators define categories in their areas?
↑ Should we add "snowmelt" to this? Or separate? Change to precipitation?
↑ I opted to place Wastewater treatment under Sanitation. Discuss
↑ Water quality part of purification and sanitation? Health?
↑ How is a Cistern different from a storage tank?
↑ Wells moved to "water supply" from storage
↑ Regional categories or articles beneath this
↑ "Food and drink" has 126 articles, Food has 5! I choose "Food and drink" for practical reasons! Plus it's also an okay name
↑ What about soil preparation? Too sandy? Too clayey? Grading? Plowing? Put that above Fertilization
↑ Are agricultural blights the same as pests? Rot? Aphids? Locusts? What about weeds?
↑ existing category, noncompliant capitalization, 3 members
↑ Former name, Preserving and storing food, 5 members
↑ Food processing category exists. Transfer to preparation? Subcategory of preparation?
↑ Perhaps subcategories are not required?
↑ Does Macrobiotics belong in nutrition/diet?
↑ "Health and safety"? Where to put various safety items? Under community? Note that "Health" already exists and has 13 members. Public health exists and has 8 members.
↑
I'm concerned about the value and liability of "treatment" articles. I would suggest a conservative policy in the treatment area, or huge disclaimers. Both, really.
- I'm not sure how conservative you are thinking, but I'd like to major on the prominent disclaimer and restrict editing as little as possible. --Singkong2005 · talk 03:56, 15 January 2007 (PST)
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What to include? Cysts, bacteria, virus, but not broken bones, sprains, cuts, concussions, malnutrition, exposure, heat stroke, dehydration?
- Some are obviously development-related, like malaria... but I wouldn't be inclined to categorize diseases by pathogen type (Cysts, Bacterias, Viruses) - not at this stage, anyway. We're focusing on the technology and practice of treatment on prevention, not on the biology of the pathogen.
- I guess the aim here is to suggest likely topics, rather than define limits? To be honest, I'm actually not sure why we need this table at all, as opposed to just relying on the category structure (which would also save a lot of work, and avoid getting out of date)...
If we end up having pages on appropriate technology casts for broken limbs, and suitable transport for people in a delicate condition (with broken bones or internal injuries) in rough, poor situations, then we we might think about having a category for those topics. --Singkong2005 · talk 03:56, 15 January 2007 (PST)
↑ Prevention and treatment are called out separately. What else is there? Description, diagnosis, prevalence, perhaps?
↑ I dropped specific diseases under "diseases, and implicitly raised "prevention and treatement" within each category to be included with categories as, say, Cysts.
↑ Bacteria is already plural right? And yet, my gut says adding the "s" is okay
↑ I wouldn't be making a fuss if someone added pages on these topics, but are they really part of Appropedia's focus? (Did Chris leave this?)
↑ Moved from Sanitation as agreed with Chris
↑ existing category(2)
↑ What is this? Is there a better label? Does it fit under something else?
↑ How is "wastewater treatment" distinct from Sanitation? Bigger? Smaller? Same?
↑ Need to change the name of the current category name by adding an "S".
↑ IMHO, the subcategories (bucket, double-vaulted) don't add value, can be added later. This is a recurring theme and needs to be addressed as a policy. Do we create empty or single-article categories and hope they grow? Meanwhile live with bunches of empty or near-empty categories, which seems annoying and seems to exaggerate gaps. Alternatively, we are forced to regularly create and expand categories, which has its own set of issues...
↑ Merged "improved pit latrines" into
↑ Is this solid was management, different from, say, wastewater treatment and sanitation?
↑ Category:Community exists with 51 members!
↑ Category:Corruption belongs here (1 article) and Poverty (1)
↑ "Culture and development" has 8 articles. Need to figure out where they fit
↑ New proposal:Active citizenry? Maybe that's different from Activism?
↑ Economics?
↑ Although I had originally suggested Banking as a category, commerce is a better meta term, and the category exists (1 member). For example, there are a variety of manufacturing articles that would seem to be supportive of sustainable development; they could fit under commerce along with banking. Another discussion might be licensing, permits, cap-and-trade, etc. Not all are applicable to 3rd world
↑ Finance already exists also. Seems broader than banking, so perhaps drop banking?
↑ Do we have techniques and structures reversed?
↑ I don't know if this is the top category? Maybe "Governance"?
↑ I now prefer ICT as a name, as longs as it's abbreviated. I've seen it everywhere...
↑ where would satellite go? web connection?Email?
↑ If we have a category for repeaters, seems like computers deserve a slot
↑ there's some inconsistency here. A mix between sources of energy and forms of energy. Sources may be: human, animal, wind, water, solar, etc. Forms might be mechanical, thermal, electrical, light, etc. We have human and wind under electrical, but windmills can be used for, yep, mills, or for pumping, with no electricity involved. Solution? A more complete subcategorization by energy form, or by source, or possibly both
↑ "Power and energy" was the former name. 6 members
↑ We have "electricity" as an existing category...what to do?
↑ Highlights the categorization problem. Need a "lighting" section
↑ Use the broader term, most are hydrogen anyway
↑ Subcategories may not be needed
↑ Replaced "cookstoves" (new) and "Cookers" (4) with "Cooking". Inclusive of stoves and ovens, and consistent with policy, existing "Solar cooking" category, "heating" (not heaters) and "refrigeration" (not "refrigerators")
↑ We have conflicting original category names. "Cookers" but "Solar cooking" (1)
↑ This can also be done in the lower part of walls, right?
↑ Even if, technically, there are thermal and nonthermal version of solar hotwater, Chris and I agree that "solar thermal" is overly pedantic and not natural. In any case, choose the larger label that can include both thermal and non-thermal solar hotwater
↑ Category:Biofuel already exists...
↑ IMHO, these subcategories shouldn't exist for a while...Just bundle the small number of articles under the "Fuel" or "Biofuel" category.
↑ Inconsistent subcategory names...may be okay?
↑ The category "Construction" also already exists, and presumably the two categories need to be merged. Given the name of the meta-category, would Construction be the better choice? Yes, IMHO. Earthquake safety may not just fit under alternative.
↑ Huh?
↑ This seems more like agriculture
↑ Not here? But in ag?
↑ I have some trouble with this category being here. To me, this belongs in User resources. Reasoning: Supplies are not just materials, but more complex things like computers, switches, pumps, motors, solar panels. Also, "Services" (well drilling, cement delivery, translation, towing) seem closely related (potentially the same providers in some cases)
↑ seems related to Land Use...Community? Transportation with land use in community?
↑ Distinguish between human focus and freight?
↑ Lots of oddball possibilities, seems almost like you need some kind of "alternative" category for things like Hovercraft
↑ Where would tractors belong? Here, or agriculture? Are they a tool? Where are tools categorized?!?
↑ Is this legitimate? Seems like?
↑ Is this skateboards and Segways? Is this meant to include motorcycles /scooters /mopeds? They carry about 4 people in many parts of the world. Should we say 2 wheels, 2 axles, multiaxle? These don't seem natural... Perhaps we need to capture some article titles and see where the potential content takes us.
↑ Consider "Human powered" section, to include bicycling, skating, rollerblading, skateboarding, skiing, walking etc?
↑ Do hybrids and plug-in hybrids go here?
↑ This was not brought forward. If it was intentionally dropped, then remove this...
↑ Is it fair to merge these?
↑ Two tech briefs at Practical Action on Ropeways
↑ (Yamaplos)
↑ 1 member
↑ This seems similar to shelter in terms of human need. Buildings are not really essential...The larger term might be shelter, including buildings and clothing. But what about non-shelter structures like antenna towers and greenhouses, etc? Okay, so maybe clothing, as protection, belongs in "Health and safety"...along with Laundry...
↑ Not sure where to put this. Must somehow be under C & C, but where?
↑ Options like, construction, transportation, community all seem to make sense. My personal bias is toward community, since it feels like a "city planning" question. But perhaps Transportation is also :-)
↑ Only 1 member
↑ existing name is singular
↑ Interesting. Tools are not an inherent human need, but a means to an end. Getting more philosophical, all technologies are tools, and so the whole site is about tools, but many tools are highly specialized. So the more general tools fall into the "tool" bucket. One could argue that Tools is a meta-topic, and that ICT belongs under tools. If we were to pursue that method (fine by me), then Education might belong under Community. I would also be fine with that.
↑ Currently, Knots is a subcategory of How_to

[1] Moderator: Chris!

[2] Should moderators define categories in their areas?

[3] Should we add "snowmelt" to this? Or separate? Change to precipitation?

[4] I opted to place Wastewater treatment under Sanitation. Discuss

[5] Water quality part of purification and sanitation? Health?

[6] How is a Cistern different from a storage tank?

[7] Wells moved to "water supply" from storage

[8] Regional categories or articles beneath this

[9] "Food and drink" has 126 articles, Food has 5! I choose "Food and drink" for practical reasons! Plus it's also an okay name

[10] What about soil preparation? Too sandy? Too clayey? Grading? Plowing? Put that above Fertilization

[11] Are agricultural blights the same as pests? Rot? Aphids? Locusts? What about weeds?

[12] xisting category, noncompliant capitalization, 3 members

[13] Former name, Preserving and storing food, 5 members

[14] Food processing category exists. Transfer to preparation? Subcategory of preparation?

[15] Perhaps subcategories are not required?

[16] Does Macrobiotics belong in nutrition/diet?

[17] "Health and safety"? Where to put various safety items? Under community? Note that "Health" already exists and has 13 members. Public health exists and has 8 members.

[18] I'm concerned about the value and liability of "treatment" articles. I would suggest a conservative policy in the treatment area, or huge disclaimers. Both, really.

I'm not sure how conservative you are thinking, but I'd like to major on the prominent disclaimer and restrict editing as little as possible. --Singkong2005 · talk 03:56, 15 January 2007 (PST)

[19] I'm not sure how conservative you are thinking, but I'd like to major on the prominent disclaimer and restrict editing as little as possible. --Singkong2005 · talk 03:56, 15 January 2007 (PST)

[19] What to include? Cysts, bacteria, virus, but not broken bones, sprains, cuts, concussions, malnutrition, exposure, heat stroke, dehydration?

Some are obviously development-related, like malaria... but I wouldn't be inclined to categorize diseases by pathogen type (Cysts, Bacterias, Viruses) - not at this stage, anyway. We're focusing on the technology and practice of treatment on prevention, not on the biology of the pathogen.

I guess the aim here is to suggest likely topics, rather than define limits? To be honest, I'm actually not sure why we need this table at all, as opposed to just relying on the category structure (which would also save a lot of work, and avoid getting out of date)...

If we end up having pages on appropriate technology casts for broken limbs, and suitable transport for people in a delicate condition (with broken bones or internal injuries) in rough, poor situations, then we we might think about having a category for those topics. --Singkong2005 · talk 03:56, 15 January 2007 (PST)

[21] Some are obviously development-related, like malaria... but I wouldn't be inclined to categorize diseases by pathogen type (Cysts, Bacterias, Viruses) - not at this stage, anyway. We're focusing on the technology and practice of treatment on prevention, not on the biology of the pathogen.

[22] I guess the aim here is to suggest likely topics, rather than define limits? To be honest, I'm actually not sure why we need this table at all, as opposed to just relying on the category structure (which would also save a lot of work, and avoid getting out of date)...

[20] Prevention and treatment are called out separately. What else is there? Description, diagnosis, prevalence, perhaps?

[21] I dropped specific diseases under "diseases, and implicitly raised "prevention and treatement" within each category to be included with categories as, say, Cysts.

[22] Bacteria is already plural right? And yet, my gut says adding the "s" is okay

[23] I wouldn't be making a fuss if someone added pages on these topics, but are they really part of Appropedia's focus? (Did Chris leave this?)

[24] Moved from Sanitation as agreed with Chris

[25] xisting category(2)

[26] What is this? Is there a better label? Does it fit under something else?

[27] How is "wastewater treatment" distinct from Sanitation? Bigger? Smaller? Same?

[28] Need to change the name of the current category name by adding an "S".

[29] IMHO, the subcategories (bucket, double-vaulted) don't add value, can be added later. This is a recurring theme and needs to be addressed as a policy. Do we create empty or single-article categories and hope they grow? Meanwhile live with bunches of empty or near-empty categories, which seems annoying and seems to exaggerate gaps. Alternatively, we are forced to regularly create and expand categories, which has its own set of issues...

[30] Merged "improved pit latrines" into

[31] Is this solid was management, different from, say, wastewater treatment and sanitation?

[32] Category:Community exists with 51 members!

[33] Category:Corruption belongs here (1 article) and Poverty (1)

[34] "Culture and development" has 8 articles. Need to figure out where they fit

[35] New proposal:Active citizenry? Maybe that's different from Activism?

[36] Economics?

[37] Although I had originally suggested Banking as a category, commerce is a better meta term, and the category exists (1 member). For example, there are a variety of manufacturing articles that would seem to be supportive of sustainable development; they could fit under commerce along with banking. Another discussion might be licensing, permits, cap-and-trade, etc. Not all are applicable to 3rd world

[38] Finance already exists also. Seems broader than banking, so perhaps drop banking?

[39] Do we have techniques and structures reversed?

[40] I don't know if this is the top category? Maybe "Governance"?

[41] I now prefer ICT as a name, as longs as it's abbreviated. I've seen it everywhere...

[42] where would satellite go? web connection?Email?

[43] If we have a category for repeaters, seems like computers deserve a slot

[44] there's some inconsistency here. A mix between sources of energy and forms of energy. Sources may be: human, animal, wind, water, solar, etc. Forms might be mechanical, thermal, electrical, light, etc. We have human and wind under electrical, but windmills can be used for, yep, mills, or for pumping, with no electricity involved. Solution? A more complete subcategorization by energy form, or by source, or possibly both

[45] "Power and energy" was the former name. 6 members

[46] We have "electricity" as an existing category...what to do?

[47] Highlights the categorization problem. Need a "lighting" section

[48] Use the broader term, most are hydrogen anyway

[49] Subcategories may not be needed

[50] Replaced "cookstoves" (new) and "Cookers" (4) with "Cooking". Inclusive of stoves and ovens, and consistent with policy, existing "Solar cooking" category, "heating" (not heaters) and "refrigeration" (not "refrigerators")

[51] We have conflicting original category names. "Cookers" but "Solar cooking" (1)

[52] This can also be done in the lower part of walls, right?

[53] Even if, technically, there are thermal and nonthermal version of solar hotwater, Chris and I agree that "solar thermal" is overly pedantic and not natural. In any case, choose the larger label that can include both thermal and non-thermal solar hotwater

[54] Category:Biofuel already exists...

[55] IMHO, these subcategories shouldn't exist for a while...Just bundle the small number of articles under the "Fuel" or "Biofuel" category.

[56] Inconsistent subcategory names...may be okay?

[57] The category "Construction" also already exists, and presumably the two categories need to be merged. Given the name of the meta-category, would Construction be the better choice? Yes, IMHO. Earthquake safety may not just fit under alternative.

[58] Huh?

[59] This seems more like agriculture

[60] Not here? But in ag?

[61] I have some trouble with this category being here. To me, this belongs in User resources. Reasoning: Supplies are not just materials, but more complex things like computers, switches, pumps, motors, solar panels. Also, "Services" (well drilling, cement delivery, translation, towing) seem closely related (potentially the same providers in some cases)

[62] seems related to Land Use...Community? Transportation with land use in community?

[63] Distinguish between human focus and freight?

[64] Lots of oddball possibilities, seems almost like you need some kind of "alternative" category for things like Hovercraft

[65] Where would tractors belong? Here, or agriculture? Are they a tool? Where are tools categorized?!?

[66] Is this legitimate? Seems like?

[67] Is this skateboards and Segways? Is this meant to include motorcycles /scooters /mopeds? They carry about 4 people in many parts of the world. Should we say 2 wheels, 2 axles, multiaxle? These don't seem natural... Perhaps we need to capture some article titles and see where the potential content takes us.

[68] Consider "Human powered" section, to include bicycling, skating, rollerblading, skateboarding, skiing, walking etc?

[69] Do hybrids and plug-in hybrids go here?

[70] This was not brought forward. If it was intentionally dropped, then remove this...

[71] Is it fair to merge these?

[72] Two tech briefs at Practical Action on Ropeways

[73] (Yamaplos)

[74] 1 member

[75] This seems similar to shelter in terms of human need. Buildings are not really essential...The larger term might be shelter, including buildings and clothing. But what about non-shelter structures like antenna towers and greenhouses, etc? Okay, so maybe clothing, as protection, belongs in "Health and safety"...along with Laundry...

[76] Not sure where to put this. Must somehow be under C & C, but where?

[77] Options like, construction, transportation, community all seem to make sense. My personal bias is toward community, since it feels like a "city planning" question. But perhaps Transportation is also :-)

[78] Only 1 member

[79] xisting name is singular

[80] Interesting. Tools are not an inherent human need, but a means to an end. Getting more philosophical, all technologies are tools, and so the whole site is about tools, but many tools are highly specialized. So the more general tools fall into the "tool" bucket. One could argue that Tools is a meta-topic, and that ICT belongs under tools. If we were to pursue that method (fine by me), then Education might belong under Community. I would also be fine with that.

[81] Currently, Knots is a subcategory of How_to

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 '''[[:Category:Pumping|Pumping]]'''
 :Hydraulic ram &bull; Solar &bull; Rope &bull; Hand
-[[:Category:Rainwater|Rainwater]]<ref>Should we add "snowmelt" to this? Or separate?  Change to precipitation?</ref>
+'''[[:Category:Rainwater|Rainwater]]'''<ref>Should we add "snowmelt" to this? Or separate?  Change to precipitation?</ref>
 :[[:Category:Flood control|Flood control]] <small>Swales</small>
 :Rooftop catchment &bull; Stormwater catchment