User:Curtbeckmann/Topic table: Difference between revisions

↑ Moderator: Chris! (how is this as a means of capturing moderators?
↑ Should moderators define categories in their areas?
↑ Should we add "snowmelt" to this? Or separate? Change to precipitation?
↑ This seems somehow below purification and sanitation.
↑ Isn't sanitation dealing with wastewater? Purification is making water drinkable? Whatever the name, wouldn't desalination fit here too?
↑ Are wells really for storage, or supply? If storage, is it still called a "well"?
↑ How is a Cistern different from a storage tank? Isn't it just a kind of storage tank?
↑ "Food and drink" has 126 articles, Food has 5! I choose "Food and drink" for practical reasons! Plus it's also an okay name
↑ Food processing category exists. Transfer to preparation? Subcategory of preparation?
↑ Does Macrobiotics belong in nutrition/diet?
↑ "Health and safety"? Where to put various safety items? Under community? Note that "Health" already exists and has 13 members. Public health exists and has 8 members.
↑
I'm concerned about the value and liability of "treatment" articles. I would suggest a conservative policy in the treatment area, or huge disclaimers. Both, really.
- I'm not sure how conservative you are thinking, but I'd like to major on the prominent disclaimer and restrict editing as little as possible. --Singkong2005 · talk 03:56, 15 January 2007 (PST)
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What to include? Cysts, bacteria, virus, but not broken bones, sprains, cuts, concussions, malnutrition, exposure, heat stroke, dehydration?
- Some are obviously development-related, like malaria... but I wouldn't be inclined to categorize diseases by pathogen type (Cysts, Bacterias, Viruses) - not at this stage, anyway. We're focusing on the technology and practice of treatment on prevention, not on the biology of the pathogen.
- I guess the aim here is to suggest likely topics, rather than define limits? To be honest, I'm actually not sure why we need this table at all, as opposed to just relying on the category structure (which would also save a lot of work, and avoid getting out of date)...
If we end up having pages on appropriate technology casts for broken limbs, and suitable transport for people in a delicate condition (with broken bones or internal injuries) in rough, poor situations, then we we might think about having a category for those topics. --Singkong2005 · talk 03:56, 15 January 2007 (PST)
↑ Prevention and treatment are called out separately. What else is there? Description, diagnosis, prevalence, perhaps?
↑ I dropped specific diseases under "diseases, and implicitly raised "prevention and treatement" within each category to be included with categories as, say, Cysts.
↑ Bacteria is already plural right? And yet, my gut says adding the "s" is okay
↑ I wouldn't be making a fuss if someone added pages on these topics, but are they really part of Appropedia's focus? (Did Chris leave this?)
↑ What is this? Is there a better label? Does it fit under something else?
↑ Moved from Sanitation as agreed with Chris
↑ Need to change the name of the current category name by adding an "S".
↑ IMHO, the subcategories (bucket, double-vaulted) don't add value, can be added later. This is a recurring theme and needs to be addressed as a policy. Do we create empty or single-article categories and hope they grow? Meanwhile live with bunches of empty or near-empty categories, which seems annoying and seems to exaggerate gaps. Alternatively, we are forced to regularly create and expand categories, which has its own set of issues...
↑ Merged "improved pit latrines" into
↑ Category:Community exists with 51 members!
↑ Category:Corruption belongs here (1 article), very relevant topic for international development. I don't see a flip (positive) name choice option, except for "Anti-corruption measures" or similar
↑ "Culture and development" has 8 articles. Need to figure out where they fit
↑ New proposal:Active citizenry? Maybe that's different from Activism?
↑ Although I had originally suggested Banking as a category, commerce is a better meta term, and the category exists (1 member). For example, there are a variety of manufacturing articles that would seem to be supportive of sustainable development; they could fit under commerce along with banking. Another discussion might be licensing, permits, cap-and-trade, etc. Not all are applicable to 3rd world
↑ Finance already exists also. Seems broader than banking, so perhaps drop banking?
↑ Do we have techniques and structures reversed?
↑ I now prefer ICT as a name, as longs as it's abbreviated. I've seen it everywhere...
↑ If we have a category for repeaters, seems like computers deserve a slot
↑ Put internet under networking?
↑ Put under networking? Network-based services?
↑ there's some inconsistency here. A mix between sources of energy and forms of energy. Sources may be: human, animal, wind, water, solar, etc. Forms might be mechanical, thermal, electrical, light, etc. We have human and wind under electrical, but windmills can be used for, yep, mills, or for pumping, with no electricity involved. Solution? A more complete subcategorization by energy form, or by source, or possibly both
↑ We have "electricity" as an existing category...what to do?
↑ Highlights the categorization problem. Need a "lighting" section
↑ Use the broader term, most are hydrogen anyway
↑ Replaced "cookstoves" with "Cookers". This category name exists, and inclusive of cookstoves and ovens
↑ Even if, technically, there are thermal and nonthermal version of solar hotwater, Chris and I agree that "solar thermal" is overly pedantic and not natural. In any case, choose the larger label that can include both thermal and non-thermal solar hotwater
↑ This can also be done in the lower part of walls, right?
↑ Category:Biofuel already exists...
↑ IMHO, these subcategories shouldn't exist for a while...Just bundle the small number of articles under the "Fuel" or "Biofuel" category.
↑ The category "Construction" also already exists, and presumably the two categories need to be merged. Given the name of the meta-category, would Construction be the better choice? Yes, IMHO. Earthquake safety may not just fit under alternative.
↑ Huh?
↑ This seems more like agriculture
↑ seems related to Land Use...Community? Transportation with land use in community?
↑ Distinguish between human focus and freight?
↑ Lots of oddball possibilities, seems almost like you need some kind of "alternative" category for things like Hovercraft
↑ Where would tractors belong? Here, or agriculture? Are they a tool? Where are tools categorized?!?
↑ Is this legitimate? Seems like?
↑ Is this skateboards and Segways? Is this meant to include motorcycles /scooters /mopeds? They carry about 4 people in many parts of the world. Should we say 2 wheels, 2 axles, multiaxle? These don't seem natural... Perhaps we need to capture some article titles and see where the potential content takes us.
↑ Consider "Human powered" section, to include bicycling, skating, rollerblading, skateboarding, skiing, walking etc?
↑ Do hybrids and plug-in hybrids go here?
↑ This was not brought forward. If it was intentionally dropped, then remove this...
↑ Is it fair to merge these?
↑ Two tech briefs at Practical Action on Ropeways
↑ (Yamaplos)

[1] Moderator: Chris! (how is this as a means of capturing moderators?

[2] Should moderators define categories in their areas?

[3] Should we add "snowmelt" to this? Or separate? Change to precipitation?

[4] This seems somehow below purification and sanitation.

[5] Isn't sanitation dealing with wastewater? Purification is making water drinkable? Whatever the name, wouldn't desalination fit here too?

[6] Are wells really for storage, or supply? If storage, is it still called a "well"?

[7] How is a Cistern different from a storage tank? Isn't it just a kind of storage tank?

[8] "Food and drink" has 126 articles, Food has 5! I choose "Food and drink" for practical reasons! Plus it's also an okay name

[9] Food processing category exists. Transfer to preparation? Subcategory of preparation?

[10] Does Macrobiotics belong in nutrition/diet?

[11] "Health and safety"? Where to put various safety items? Under community? Note that "Health" already exists and has 13 members. Public health exists and has 8 members.

[12] I'm concerned about the value and liability of "treatment" articles. I would suggest a conservative policy in the treatment area, or huge disclaimers. Both, really.

I'm not sure how conservative you are thinking, but I'd like to major on the prominent disclaimer and restrict editing as little as possible. --Singkong2005 · talk 03:56, 15 January 2007 (PST)

[13] I'm not sure how conservative you are thinking, but I'd like to major on the prominent disclaimer and restrict editing as little as possible. --Singkong2005 · talk 03:56, 15 January 2007 (PST)

[13] What to include? Cysts, bacteria, virus, but not broken bones, sprains, cuts, concussions, malnutrition, exposure, heat stroke, dehydration?

Some are obviously development-related, like malaria... but I wouldn't be inclined to categorize diseases by pathogen type (Cysts, Bacterias, Viruses) - not at this stage, anyway. We're focusing on the technology and practice of treatment on prevention, not on the biology of the pathogen.

I guess the aim here is to suggest likely topics, rather than define limits? To be honest, I'm actually not sure why we need this table at all, as opposed to just relying on the category structure (which would also save a lot of work, and avoid getting out of date)...

If we end up having pages on appropriate technology casts for broken limbs, and suitable transport for people in a delicate condition (with broken bones or internal injuries) in rough, poor situations, then we we might think about having a category for those topics. --Singkong2005 · talk 03:56, 15 January 2007 (PST)

[15] Some are obviously development-related, like malaria... but I wouldn't be inclined to categorize diseases by pathogen type (Cysts, Bacterias, Viruses) - not at this stage, anyway. We're focusing on the technology and practice of treatment on prevention, not on the biology of the pathogen.

[16] I guess the aim here is to suggest likely topics, rather than define limits? To be honest, I'm actually not sure why we need this table at all, as opposed to just relying on the category structure (which would also save a lot of work, and avoid getting out of date)...

[14] Prevention and treatment are called out separately. What else is there? Description, diagnosis, prevalence, perhaps?

[15] I dropped specific diseases under "diseases, and implicitly raised "prevention and treatement" within each category to be included with categories as, say, Cysts.

[16] Bacteria is already plural right? And yet, my gut says adding the "s" is okay

[17] I wouldn't be making a fuss if someone added pages on these topics, but are they really part of Appropedia's focus? (Did Chris leave this?)

[18] What is this? Is there a better label? Does it fit under something else?

[19] Moved from Sanitation as agreed with Chris

[20] Need to change the name of the current category name by adding an "S".

[21] IMHO, the subcategories (bucket, double-vaulted) don't add value, can be added later. This is a recurring theme and needs to be addressed as a policy. Do we create empty or single-article categories and hope they grow? Meanwhile live with bunches of empty or near-empty categories, which seems annoying and seems to exaggerate gaps. Alternatively, we are forced to regularly create and expand categories, which has its own set of issues...

[22] Merged "improved pit latrines" into

[23] Category:Community exists with 51 members!

[24] Category:Corruption belongs here (1 article), very relevant topic for international development. I don't see a flip (positive) name choice option, except for "Anti-corruption measures" or similar

[25] "Culture and development" has 8 articles. Need to figure out where they fit

[26] New proposal:Active citizenry? Maybe that's different from Activism?

[27] Although I had originally suggested Banking as a category, commerce is a better meta term, and the category exists (1 member). For example, there are a variety of manufacturing articles that would seem to be supportive of sustainable development; they could fit under commerce along with banking. Another discussion might be licensing, permits, cap-and-trade, etc. Not all are applicable to 3rd world

[28] Finance already exists also. Seems broader than banking, so perhaps drop banking?

[29] Do we have techniques and structures reversed?

[30] I now prefer ICT as a name, as longs as it's abbreviated. I've seen it everywhere...

[31] If we have a category for repeaters, seems like computers deserve a slot

[32] Put internet under networking?

[33] Put under networking? Network-based services?

[34] there's some inconsistency here. A mix between sources of energy and forms of energy. Sources may be: human, animal, wind, water, solar, etc. Forms might be mechanical, thermal, electrical, light, etc. We have human and wind under electrical, but windmills can be used for, yep, mills, or for pumping, with no electricity involved. Solution? A more complete subcategorization by energy form, or by source, or possibly both

[35] We have "electricity" as an existing category...what to do?

[36] Highlights the categorization problem. Need a "lighting" section

[37] Use the broader term, most are hydrogen anyway

[38] Replaced "cookstoves" with "Cookers". This category name exists, and inclusive of cookstoves and ovens

[39] Even if, technically, there are thermal and nonthermal version of solar hotwater, Chris and I agree that "solar thermal" is overly pedantic and not natural. In any case, choose the larger label that can include both thermal and non-thermal solar hotwater

[40] This can also be done in the lower part of walls, right?

[41] Category:Biofuel already exists...

[42] IMHO, these subcategories shouldn't exist for a while...Just bundle the small number of articles under the "Fuel" or "Biofuel" category.

[43] The category "Construction" also already exists, and presumably the two categories need to be merged. Given the name of the meta-category, would Construction be the better choice? Yes, IMHO. Earthquake safety may not just fit under alternative.

[44] Huh?

[45] This seems more like agriculture

[46] seems related to Land Use...Community? Transportation with land use in community?

[47] Distinguish between human focus and freight?

[48] Lots of oddball possibilities, seems almost like you need some kind of "alternative" category for things like Hovercraft

[49] Where would tractors belong? Here, or agriculture? Are they a tool? Where are tools categorized?!?

[50] Is this legitimate? Seems like?

[51] Is this skateboards and Segways? Is this meant to include motorcycles /scooters /mopeds? They carry about 4 people in many parts of the world. Should we say 2 wheels, 2 axles, multiaxle? These don't seem natural... Perhaps we need to capture some article titles and see where the potential content takes us.

[52] Consider "Human powered" section, to include bicycling, skating, rollerblading, skateboarding, skiing, walking etc?

[53] Do hybrids and plug-in hybrids go here?

[54] This was not brought forward. If it was intentionally dropped, then remove this...

[55] Is it fair to merge these?

[56] Two tech briefs at Practical Action on Ropeways

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 | width=33% |
-==[[:Category:Food| Food]]==
+==[[:Category:Food and drink| Food and drink]]==
-Notes for Food section<ref>consider "Food and drink"</ref><br>
+Notes for Food section<ref>"Food and drink" has 126 articles, Food has 5! I choose "Food and drink" for practical reasons! Plus it's also an okay name</ref><br>
 '''[[Agriculture]]'''
 :Biodynamic farming?
@@ Line 39: / Line 39: @@
 '''[[Agroforestry]]'''<br>
 '''[[Animal husbandry]]'''
-:Chicken tractor &bull; Animal health &bull; Beekeeping
+:Chicken tractor &bull; Animal health &bull; Beekeeping &bull; [[:Category:Fish farming|Fish farming]]
 '''[[Aquaculture]]'''<br>
 '''[[Composting]]'''
@@ Line 46: / Line 46: @@
 :Canning &bull; Dehydrating
 :Refrigeration &bull; Storing
-'''[[Food preparation]]'''
+'''[[:Category:Food preparation|Food preparation]]'''<ref>Food processing category exists.  Transfer to preparation?  Subcategory of preparation?</ref><br>
 :Cooking <small>Cookers &bull; Ovens &bull; Solar</small>
 :Dehydrating &bull; Macrobiotics<ref>Does Macrobiotics belong in nutrition/diet?</ref> &bull; Raw
@@ Line 59: / Line 59: @@
 | width=33% |
-==[[:Category:Public health|Public health]]==
+==[[:Category:Public health|Public health]] or [[:Category:Health|Health]] or [[Health and safety]]==
-Refs for public health section<ref>Change category name to "Health and Safety"?</ref><ref>I'm concerned about the value and liability of "treatment" articles.  I would suggest a conservative policy in the treatment area, or huge disclaimers.  Both, really.<br>
+Refs for public health section<ref>"Health and safety"?  Where to put various safety items? Under community? Note that "Health" already exists and has 13 members.  Public health exists and has 8 members.</ref><ref>I'm concerned about the value and liability of "treatment" articles.  I would suggest a conservative policy in the treatment area, or huge disclaimers.  Both, really.<br>
 :*I'm not sure how conservative you are thinking, but I'd like to major on the prominent disclaimer and restrict editing as little as possible. --[[User:Singkong2005|Singkong2005]] &middot; <small>[[User talk:Singkong2005|talk]]</small> 03:56, 15 January 2007 (PST)</ref><ref>What to include?  Cysts, bacteria, virus, but not broken bones, sprains, cuts, concussions, malnutrition, exposure, heat stroke, dehydration?<br>
 :*Some are obviously development-related, like malaria... but I wouldn't be inclined to categorize diseases by pathogen type (Cysts, Bacterias, Viruses) - not at this stage, anyway. We're focusing on the technology and practice of treatment on prevention, not on the biology of the pathogen.
@@ Line 73: / Line 73: @@
 '''[[Human dignity in public health]]'''<br>
 '''[[ORT]]'''<ref>What is this?  Is there a better label? Does it fit under something else?</ref><br>
-'''[[Personal hygiene]]'''<br>
+'''[[:Category:Hygiene|Hygiene]]'''<br>
 :Hand washing<ref>Moved from Sanitation as agreed with Chris</ref><br>
 '''[[:Category:Pest control|Pest control]]'''<br>
@@ Line 96: / Line 96: @@
 '''[[:Category:Cities|Cities]]'''<br>
 '''[[:Category:Commerce|Commerce]]'''<br>
-:[[:Category:Banking|Banking]]<ref>Although I had originally suggested Banking as a category, commerce is a better meta term, and the category exists (1 member).  For example, there are a variety of manufacturing articles that would seem to be supportive of sustainable development; they could fit under commerce along with banking.  Another discussion might be licensing, permits, cap-and-trade, etc.  Not all are applicable to 3rd world</ref>
+:[[:Category:Banking|Banking]] or [[:Category:Finance|Finance]]<ref>Although I had originally suggested Banking as a category, commerce is a better meta term, and the category exists (1 member).  For example, there are a variety of manufacturing articles that would seem to be supportive of sustainable development; they could fit under commerce along with banking.  Another discussion might be licensing, permits, cap-and-trade, etc.  Not all are applicable to 3rd world</ref><ref>Finance already exists also.  Seems broader than banking, so perhaps drop banking?</ref><br>
 '''[[Community organizing]]'''<br>
 :[[Building partnerships]]
-:[[Collaborative meeting tools]] &bull; [[Cooperatives]]
+:[[Collaborative meeting tools]] &bull; [[:Category:Cooperatives|Cooperatives]]
 '''[[Decision making techniques]]'''<ref>Do we have techniques and structures reversed?</ref><br>
 :Pugh diagrams &bull; Delphi method
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 :Majority rule &bull; Minority rule &bull; Unanimity
 '''[[Effective lobbying]]'''<br>
-'''[[Environmental justice]]'''<br>
+'''[[:Category:Environmental justice|Environmental justice]]'''<br>
 '''[[Gender and development]]'''<br>
 :[[Equal rights for women]] &bull; [[Male contraception]]
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 '''[[Computers]]'''<ref>If we have a category for repeaters, seems like computers deserve a slot</ref><br>
 :Laptops &bull; Servers
-'''[[Education]]'''<br>
+'''[[:Category:Education|Education]]'''<br>
 :Curricullum development &bull; Computer based education
 :Education paradigms <small>Piaget &bull; Montessori</small>
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 ==[[:Category:Energy|Energy]]==
-Refs for Energy section<ref>there's some inconsistency here. A mix between sources of energy and forms of energy.  Sources may be: human, animal, wind, water, solar, etc.  Forms might be mechanical, thermal, electrical, etc.  We have human and wind under electrical, but windmills can be used for, yep, mills, or for pumping, with no electricity involved.  Solution?  A more complete subcategorization by energy form, or by source, or possibly both</ref>
+Refs for Energy section<ref>there's some inconsistency here. A mix between sources of energy and forms of energy.  Sources may be: human, animal, wind, water, solar, etc.  Forms might be mechanical, thermal, electrical, light, etc.  We have human and wind under electrical, but windmills can be used for, yep, mills, or for pumping, with no electricity involved.  Solution?  A more complete subcategorization by energy form, or by source, or possibly both</ref>
 '''[[Efficiency]]'''<br>
 *[[Energy auditing]]
-'''[[Electrical energy]]'''<br>
+'''[[Electrical energy]]'''<ref>We have "electricity" as an existing category...what to do?</ref><br>
-:[[Batteries]] &bull; [[Fuel cells]]<ref>Use the broader term, most are hydrogen anyway</ref>
+:[[Batteries]] &bull; [[:Category:Electric lighting|Electric lighting]]<ref>Highlights the categorization problem. Need a "lighting" section</ref> &bull; [[Fuel cells]]<ref>Use the broader term, most are hydrogen anyway</ref>
 :[[Grid intertie]] &bull; [[Microcapicitors]]
-:Human power &bull; Microhydro power
+:[[:Category:Human power|Human power]] &bull; Microhydro power
 :Photovoltaic power
 :<small>Solar pumping &bull; Solar vaccine refrigeration</small>
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 ==[[Materials and construction]]==
 '''[[:Category:4Rs|4Rs]]'''<br>
-'''[[:Category:Alternative building | Alternative building]]''' or '''[[:Category:Construction|Construction]]'''<ref>The category "Construction" also already exists, and presumably the two categories need to be merged.  Given the name of the meta-category, would Construction be the better choice? Yes, IMHO</ref><br>
+'''[[:Category:Alternative building | Alternative building]]''' or '''[[:Category:Construction|Construction]]'''<ref>The category "Construction" also already exists, and presumably the two categories need to be merged.  Given the name of the meta-category, would Construction be the better choice? Yes, IMHO.  Earthquake safety may not just fit under alternative.</ref><br>
-:Bamboo &bull; Cordwood &bull; Earthship<ref>Huh?</ref> &bull; Ferrocement &bull; Living roof &bull; Papercrete &bull; Strawbale &bull; Tires
+:Bamboo &bull; Cordwood &bull; [[:Category:Earthquake safety|Earthquake safety]] &bull; Earthship<ref>Huh?</ref> &bull; Ferrocement &bull; Living roof &bull; Papercrete &bull; Strawbale &bull; Tires
-:Earthen construction <small>[[:Category:Adobe|Adobe]] &bull; Bajareche</small>
+:[[:Category:Earthen construction|Earthen construction]]
-::<small>[[:Category:Cobb|Cobb]] &bull; Earth bags &bull; Earthen oven</small>
+::<small>[[:Category:Adobe|Adobe]] &bull; Bajareche &bull; [[:Category:Cobb|Cobb]] &bull; Earth bags &bull; Earthen oven &bull; Earthen plaster &bull; Rammed earth &bull; Stone and brick &bull; Wattle and daub</small>
-::<small>Earthen plaster &bull; Rammed earth</small>
-::<small>Stone and brick &bull; Wattle and daub</small>
 '''[[Alternative materials]]'''<br>
 :Bioplastic &bull; Hemp &bull; Lechugilla &bull; Smartwood