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:Ideally the visualizations would be interactive - talking with someone from PaperCut, a green-oriented business in the Melbourne area, they said that schoolkids were very engaged with their simulation of paper usage, seeing how much printing per day equated to how many trees over a year. There's so much potential there, but I don't know how to do interactive models/visualizations within the wiki - [[A:Spreadsheets]] can be embedded, but they can't be edited ''within'' the wiki page. Having a bunch of examples is good, but having something interactive will be much more engaging. Guides like [http://web.archive.org/web/20140509152635/http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/clean_vehicles/greentravel_report.pdf Getting There Greener - The Guide to Your Lower-Carbon Vacation] give some info, but having something succinct is better for actually getting noticed (with all the detail available further down or in separate pages). --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] 19:01, 11 August 2012 (PDT)
:Ideally the visualizations would be interactive - talking with someone from PaperCut, a green-oriented business in the Melbourne area, they said that schoolkids were very engaged with their simulation of paper usage, seeing how much printing per day equated to how many trees over a year. There's so much potential there, but I don't know how to do interactive models/visualizations within the wiki - [[A:Spreadsheets]] can be embedded, but they can't be edited ''within'' the wiki page. Having a bunch of examples is good, but having something interactive will be much more engaging. Guides like [http://web.archive.org/web/20140509152635/http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/clean_vehicles/greentravel_report.pdf Getting There Greener - The Guide to Your Lower-Carbon Vacation] give some info, but having something succinct is better for actually getting noticed (with all the detail available further down or in separate pages). --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] 19:01, 11 August 2012 (PDT)
::The average American spews a weight of carbon dioxide each year larger than the weight of a [[commons:File:Indricothere CAS.jpg|Paraceratherium]]. Imagine how different things would be if people could see carbon dioxide. I'm not sure how succinct one can make the subject of carbon accounting, as it is more complex than financial planning for retirement. For the latter we tend to rely on trained human experts to advise us. They can earn a living giving such advice because of the importance people place on the subject. It's too bad few people care similarly about carbon planning. In the meantime, while we are waiting for cheap computers to get smart enough to match the skill of human advisors, another way to make the subject more engaging if not interactive is via the documentary film. I haven't found any good documentaries that focus specifically on green living yet, but there are a lot that do a pretty good job of explaining various environmental problems. That's another subpage I could make here, to transcribe my notes from my offline wiki. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 13:50, 12 August 2012 (PDT)
::The average American spews a weight of carbon dioxide each year larger than the weight of a [[commons:File:Indricothere CAS.jpg|Paraceratherium]]. Imagine how different things would be if people could see carbon dioxide. I'm not sure how succinct one can make the subject of carbon accounting, as it is more complex than financial planning for retirement. For the latter we tend to rely on trained human experts to advise us. They can earn a living giving such advice because of the importance people place on the subject. It's too bad few people care similarly about carbon planning. In the meantime, while we are waiting for cheap computers to get smart enough to match the skill of human advisors, another way to make the subject more engaging if not interactive is via the documentary film. I haven't found any good documentaries that focus specifically on green living yet, but there are a lot that do a pretty good job of explaining various environmental problems. That's another subpage I could make here, to transcribe my notes from my offline wiki. --[[User:Teratornis|Teratornis]] 13:50, 12 August 2012 (PDT)
:::I know you've done an enormous amount of thinking and writing about this online, and apparently on an offline wiki as well. I'm interested in what it would take to get a lot of that put into Appropedia pages. When in doubt, there's always the approach of starting userspace drafts.
:::That [[commons:File:Indricothere CAS.jpg|Paraceratherium]] is great for putting carbon dioxide in perspective. --[[User:Chriswaterguy|Chriswaterguy]] 01:29, 30 August 2012 (PDT)
== Appropedia values? ==
Is there a list of values to go alongside the vision and mission statements? I have been looking to no avail so far.
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