I changed the order as Curt requested, and I also changed the names, now Community Portal=Ask Questions (only on the nav bar), and Village Pump=Help Out (only on the nav bar). This is just a thought to help out the newer people, as the veterans should not have a problem finding what they are looking for. Maybe we should leave Ask Questions as it is, but re-replace Help Out with Village Pump as that is what many are accustomed to.... what do you think? --Lonny 20:49, 1 October 2006 (PDT)
- I'm fine with "help out" or maybe "helping out", but it seems like the name assignments are backwards. I feel like Village Pump is where people go to ask questions (based on the Village Pump header) and Community Portal is where you help out (the first section is: how to help).
- Another funny thing (or maybe this is just a temporary thing) is that the main page still has the old labels, while Talk:Main Page and others have the new labels. --Curtbeckmann 06:02, 2 October 2006 (PDT)
- Thanks for that, Lonny. Rather a simple glitch than me being completely out to lunch :-) Note, though, that MainPage and Talk:MainPage still have different nav bars. The labels and links appear correct on the Talk page, but labels swapped (though links in right locations) on the MainPage. Just click back and forth on the tabs while eying at the nav bar, then float the mouse over the MainPage nav bar links. --Curtbeckmann 11:47, 2 October 2006 (PDT)
- Hi Curt, Please try deleting your cache and refreshing the front page. Let me know how it works out. --Lonny 13:41, 2 October 2006 (PDT)
- Good catch. I refreshed (which usually seems like it's enough) but did not clear my cache. Fixed, thanks! --Curtbeckmann 16:48, 2 October 2006 (PDT)
 Comment about formatting?
I'm not sure if everyone feels this way, but I will sometimes get caught up in my concern for getting formatting right. My sense, just from observation, is that the Appropedia community is flexible and helpful with regard to formatting. Now that I've been here, I think that the content is what is most valuable, and the formatting will work itself out. I would like to say something like that on the Main Page, like: "Your content is more important than formatting. Please BE BOLD and create your page with whatever formatting you can initially, and the community will chip in and support you as you develop your formatting skills." --Curtbeckmann 07:10, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
- I agree and support these statements. --Lonny 03:25, 1 October 2006 (PDT)
For a long time, I thought that Appropedia:Village Pump was the community portal for Appropedia. Now I see there is a separate page for that, and I'd like to see it in the navigation bar or toolbox. I also think it might be welcoming to have a link to users in the navigation bar. If you're familiar with wikis / wikipedia, you know how to find that, but if your not, it's nice to find the real folks behind the scenes. As you can see, several comments (and one BOLD CHANGE?) about the Main Page, since I'm (finally) gonna get serious about driving potentially wiki-unaware folks to our site. --Curtbeckmann 07:10, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
- Nav bar updated. Thank you for your work on helping wiki-unaware people here. I think that our largest bank of contributors will probably be people that often shy away from computers, so your work is extra important here. --Lonny 13:38, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
- Happy to help. This has the indirect (or did you intend it?) effect of motivating me to remain somewhat MediaWiki unaware, as opposed to investing some energy in becoming a backup admin, which I guess I can attempt down the road. I'll take my defects and call them features, in true product management style (that's my day job).
- I must say, you have been on fire today with all the work you've done. I like the new nav bar, though projects didn't come out that good yet, and based on your comments I would think you agree. Potentially projects could be called out in its own block with some subproject categories (solar, water, all), which would effectively highlight projects without any funny fonts. The sidebar is getting a little full, though (it's fine on my large screen, but small screen folks may have trouble) so adding a separate project area isn't free... Still, I see the project area as so important that I would stash (i.e. hide) the other 4 (collaboration, how-to, programs, theses) all under "Other areas" if that's possible.
- Thanks for all the progress. Every bit like this makes me more comfortable and motivated to go on my promotion spree. At this point I'm ready, and will start slogging. I figure 100 to 200 campus EWB groups (how many really will actually find the EWB International endorsement? hard to tell.) --Curtbeckmann 17:18, 29 September 2006 (PDT)
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